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The ongoing occupation attempt of St. Gabriel Monastery
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1.       Trudy
7887 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 04:43 pm

From a letter on the internet:

 

Dear Mr/Mrs,

I hereby would like to draw your attention to the occupation of St. Gabriel Monastery, which is one of the most important monasteries in the Syriac history.

St. Gabriel Monastery, which is among the most ancient Christian monasteries, was founded in 397 A.D and is situated in TurAbdin region (South East of Turkey). This monastery is considered as a very important religious site by the Syriacs. St. Gabriel Monastery, as a tradition, has been helping the poor and the needy people throughout its history and in order to sustain this tradition it has owned a large estate of lands and woods in its vicinity.

St. Gabriel Monastery acquired congregation foundation status during the Ottoman era, thus became one of the oldest known foundations in Turkey.

More: http://www.nordirak-turabdin.info/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=398&Itemid=1

 

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What about freedom of religion? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

2.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 04:49 pm

In April I visited the Dar-al-safran monastery near Mardin.  It was wonderful to see a Syrian church functioning so well, and the monks there were very complimentary about the way they could worship and carry out their religious duties.  

 

Seems like it can be different in different local areas?

3.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 05:13 pm

 

What about freedom of religion? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

you should ask this to the Kurdish asiret mafia that occupied the mentioned place. why don`t you start with learning what asiret is. That would help you understanding the issue.

4.       teaschip
3870 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 05:38 pm

This is very sad indeed.{#lang_emotions_sad}

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 08:44 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

What about freedom of religion? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Well... it applies only when they want a giant mosque in Cologne.

6.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 08:45 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

you should ask this to the Kurdish asiret mafia that occupied the mentioned place. why don`t you start with learning what asiret is. That would help you understanding the issue.

 

And why don´t you start with Communication & Respect 101? {#lang_emotions_you_crazy} That might help you understand what your problem is.

7.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 10:11 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Well... it applies only when they want a giant mosque in Cologne.

 

 

there are more functioning churches in Turkey than the functioning mosques in Germany, catwoman, though it`s a difficult fact for you to handle.

 

and I still don`t get what the Kurds occupying the lands of a church has to do with religious freedom. It`s maybe because the Kurdish freedom and religious freedom do not mix up.

 

8.       Trudy
7887 posts
 25 Sep 2008 Thu 11:30 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

there are more functioning churches in Turkey than the functioning mosques in Germany, catwoman, though it`s a difficult fact for you to handle.

 

and I still don`t get what the Kurds occupying the lands of a church has to do with religious freedom. It`s maybe because the Kurdish freedom and religious freedom do not mix up.

 

One correction: there are more neglected and abandoned churches in Turkey than mosques in Germany.

 

One remark: why do you call them Kurds when something wrong is done and demand they are Turkish when everything is fine?

9.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 12:03 am

 

Quoting Trudy

One correction: there are more neglected and abandoned churches in Turkey than mosques in Germany.

 

One remark: why do you call them Kurds when something wrong is done and demand they are Turkish when everything is fine?

 

That doesn`t change the fact that there are more functioning churches in Turkey than the functioning mosques in Germany although the Muslim population of Germany is way larger than the Christian population of Turkey. I don`t think the abandoned churches have a relevance to the issue since most of them are older than 1000 years and in no shape to function.

 

as for calling these people Kurds, isn`t it what they want? Don`t you constantly post crime news going on in your country caused by the Turks or the other minorities? Why doesn`t the Dutch press regard these people as Dutch, but "immigrants from the x country", when they make trouble although most of them are Dutch citizens?

 

 

10.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 12:06 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

That doesn`t change the fact that there are more functioning churches in Turkey than the functioning mosques in Germany although the Muslim population of Germany is way larger than the Christian population of Turkey. I don`t think the abandoned churches has a relevance to the issue since most of them are older than 1000 years and in no shape to function.

 

Pleae give some proof of this, in another article it said that it´s impossible to build a church in turkey.

11.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 12:22 am

 

 

 

 

Quoting catwoman

Quoting tamikidakika

That doesn`t change the fact that there are more functioning churches in Turkey than the functioning mosques in Germany although the Muslim population of Germany is way larger than the Christian population of Turkey. I don`t think the abandoned churches has a relevance to the issue since most of them are older than 1000 years and in no shape to function.

 

Pleae give some proof of this, in another article it said that it´s impossible to build a church in turkey.

 

70 mosques in Germany, 3 millions of Muslims

http://www.quantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-431/i.html?PHPSESSID=133099

 

 

300 churches in Turkey, 100,000 of Christians

http://www.enjoyturkey.com/info/facts/Religion5.htm

 

 

 

 

Any comments, catwoman?

12.       mltm
3690 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 12:53 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

One remark: why do you call them Kurds when something wrong is done and demand they are Turkish when everything is fine?

 

 Maybe it is to remind you that kurds are not always the ones that are opressed!

13.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 02:20 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

70 mosques in Germany, 3 millions of Muslims

http://www.quantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-431/i.html?PHPSESSID=133099

 

 

300 churches in Turkey, 100,000 of Christians

http://www.enjoyturkey.com/info/facts/Religion5.htm

 

 

 

 

Any comments, catwoman?

 

It says that the christians in Turkey are of Armenian origin and it lists some old armenian and greek churches in places where these people used to live. These were built a long time ago. There was an article about expats sayiing that it´s hard for them to build a church where they need one, because they can´t get a permission for it.

 

Anyways, I think that if there is a large group of people of a certain religion, they shouldn´t have problems with building their own churche or mosque. I is just this double standard that´s the problem here (on top of your arrogant attitude).

14.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 04:13 am

 

Quoting catwoman

It says that the christians in Turkey are of Armenian origin and it lists some old armenian and greek churches in places where these people used to live. These were built a long time ago. There was an article about expats sayiing that it´s hard for them to build a church where they need one, because they can´t get a permission for it.

 

Anyways, I think that if there is a large group of people of a certain religion, they shouldn´t have problems with building their own churche or mosque. I is just this double standard that´s the problem here (on top of your arrogant attitude).

 

there is absolutely no need to split the hair catwoman. are there 300 of functioning churches in Turkey. YES, there are. so I have no idea what we are debating over.

15.       Trudy
7887 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 09:17 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

70 mosques in Germany, 3 millions of Muslims

http://www.quantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-431/i.html?PHPSESSID=133099

 

 

300 churches in Turkey, 100,000 of Christians

http://www.enjoyturkey.com/info/facts/Religion5.htm

 

 

 

 

Any comments, catwoman?

 

Old article probably? According to this source: http://islamuswest.org/publications_islam_and_the_West/Muslim_Youth_Women_West/MIW_23.html 

there were 2300 mosques on a Muslim population of 2,3 million in Germany in 2006.

16.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 09:52 am

 

Quoting Trudy

Old article probably? According to this source: http://islamuswest.org/publications_islam_and_the_West/Muslim_Youth_Women_West/MIW_23.html

there were 2300 mosques on a Muslim population of 2,3 million in Germany in 2006.

 

that number includes mosques and prayer spaces which basically means mescid. That is nothing but a small empty room which people can even set up in their own houses. That`s the reason why it says "real mosques" in the article I posted.

17.       Trudy
7887 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 09:57 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

that number includes mosques and prayer spaces which basically means mescid. That is nothing but a small empty room. That`s the reason why it says "real mosques" in the article I posted.

 

You have checked them all? {#lang_emotions_noway} And you have checked all functioning churches in Turkey too? Than you should know your assumption about Christian churches is as wrong as well. Many of the churches are nothing more than a former normal house.

18.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 10:06 am

 

Quoting Trudy

You have checked them all? {#lang_emotions_noway} And you have checked all functioning churches in Turkey too? Than you should know your assumption about Christian churches is as wrong as well. Many of the churches are nothing more than a former normal house.

 

I have never seen or heard of a church in a single room of an apartment flat, but you can find so many mescids like that.

19.       Trudy
7887 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 11:36 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I have never seen or heard of a church in a single room of an apartment flat, but you can find so many mescids like that.

 

 News flash! The fact that YOU have never seen or heard about it, does not mean it doesn´t exist!

20.       amnariel
138 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 12:47 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 News flash! The fact that YOU have never seen or heard about it, does not mean it doesn´t exist!

 

 and it´s called chapel, not church.

21.       Trudy
7887 posts
 26 Sep 2008 Fri 12:50 pm

 

Quoting amnariel

 and it´s called chapel, not church.

 

I´ve seen buildings in normal houses called churches, not chapels. And even if you are right, the worse it is. A chapel is not a real church, like a mescit it not a mosque.

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