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10.       doudi94
845 posts
 06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:46 pm

 

Quoting MarioninTurkey

 It depends on the country!

 

I have sat and had a conversation with a Türkmen, with him speaking Türkmence and me speakin Türkçe and we understood each other fine.  I can follow Azeri TV, and have spoken with some Azeris (me Turkish - them Azeri).

 

But Üzbek and Kazakh are one step further removed. You dont just swap vowel sounds, you swap consonants as well e.g. men = ben etc.

 

These are dilaects in one country or lots of countries?

11.       si++
3785 posts
 06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:56 pm

 

Quoting MarioninTurkey

I have sat and had a conversation with a Türkmen, with him speaking Türkmence and me speakin Türkçe and we understood each other fine. I can follow Azeri TV, and have spoken with some Azeris (me Turkish - them Azeri).

Nice. Being able to speak Turkish means that you can easily communicate in those countries too. It´s an extra payoff for Turkish learners.

 

12.       si++
3785 posts
 06 Oct 2008 Mon 08:03 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

These are dilaects in one country or lots of countries?

 

They are considered separate languages but Turkic languages are very close and it shouldn´t take one to learn the other.
 I would say Azeri has 90% common with Anatolian Turkish. I can easily undertand when they speak in Uzbek language for example. They are thousands of kilometers away from here and we were separated for hundreds of years since we were speaking close languages.

 

Compare this to the dialects in Italy. They told me they would not understand it if somebody from 30 km away speaks their local dialect.

13.       doudi94
845 posts
 06 Oct 2008 Mon 08:09 pm

 

Quoting si++

They are considered separate languages but Turkic languages are very close and it shouldn´t take one to learn the other.
 I would say Azeri has 90% common with Anatolian Turkish. I can easily undertand when they speak in Uzbek language for example. They are thousands of kilometers away from here and we were separated for hundreds of years since we were speaking close languages.

 

Compare this to the dialects in Italy. They told me they would not understand it if somebody from 30 km away speaks their local dialect.

 

reminds me of arabic, each country has its own dialect but we all undertstand each other and most of us can sopeak the other dialects, but form e the dialect they speeak in the gulf is soow eird, i can hardly understand it, it makes theer voices soo thick! heheh and the morrocan and alerian and libyan dialects i dont even know how they sound because ive never seen their media, they dont have popular isngers or srtuff but i think its close

14.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Oct 2008 Tue 03:59 pm

There are Turkic people and Turkic languages. Here is a table showing lexical affinity among them. There are also distantly related languages like Finnish, Japanese, Korean etc. Especially Finnish is very close to Turkish in terms of syntax but it is completely different from vocabulary point of view.

 

 

isoglossOld TurkicTurkishUzbekUyghurTatarKazakhKyrgyzAltayWestern YugurFu-yü GyrgysKhakasTuvanSakha/YakutKhalajChuvash
z/r (nine) toquz dokuz toqqiz toqquz tuðýz toðýz toðuz toðus   doðus toðýs tos toðus toqquz tăχăr
*h- (foot) adaq ayak åyåq ayaq ayaq ayaq ayaq   azaq azýχ azaχ adaq ataχ hadaq ura
*VdV (foot) adaq ayak åyåq ayaq ayaq ayaq ayaq   azaq azýχ azaχ adaq ataχ hadaq ura
*-g (mountain) tað dað* tåð tað taw taw tað daχ tað dað týa tāð tu
suffix *-g (mountainous) taðlýð daðlý* tåðlýq taðlýq tawlý tawlý tōlū tūlu              
*-ń (burn) köy- köy-/küy- kuy- köy-/küy- köy- küy- küy- küy-     köy-     kie̯n-  

*In the standard Istanbul dialect of Turkish, the Ã° in dað and daðlý is not realized as a consonant, but as a slight lengthening of the preceding vowel.

Source : Wikipedia

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages

 

15.       si++
3785 posts
 08 Oct 2008 Wed 12:56 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

There are Turkic people and Turkic languages. Here is a table showing lexical affinity among them. There are also distantly related languages like Finnish, Japanese, Korean etc. Especially Finnish is very close to Turkish in terms of syntax but it is completely different from vocabulary point of view.

I would say Hungarian has more common with Turkish than any of those languages. There are a lot of Turkish words in Hungarian also grammar is very similar. I guess it would be easy for an Hungarian to learn Turkish and for a Turk to learn Hungarian language.

 

I also heard stories about Turks learning Japanese easily. And Japanese learning Turkish easily as well.

16.       doudi94
845 posts
 09 Oct 2008 Thu 07:54 pm

 

Quoting si++

Quoting vineyards

There are Turkic people and Turkic languages. Here is a table showing lexical affinity among them. There are also distantly related languages like Finnish, Japanese, Korean etc. Especially Finnish is very close to Turkish in terms of syntax but it is completely different from vocabulary point of view.

I would say Hungarian has more common with Turkish than any of those languages. There are a lot of Turkish words in Hungarian also grammar is very similar. I guess it would be easy for an Hungarian to learn Turkish and for a Turk to learn Hungarian language.

 

I also heard stories about Turks learning Japanese easily. And Japanese learning Turkish easily as well.

 

yeaah!!There are so many turks learning Japanese!!! Its weird! the 2 cultures ahve nothing in common!

17.       Faruk
1607 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 11:52 pm

Yeah, that´s true. I had Japanese classes last year, and it was not hard for me. Also teachers were saying that we learned it so fast, and our pronunciations were perfect

18.       elham
579 posts
 13 Oct 2008 Mon 12:13 am

 

Quoting doudi94

yeah on satellite dish , i found it by accident, teh nice thing is taht they most of teh time have the arabic translation under, so it helps me undertsand what theyre saying sometimes but its a really stupid channel, you know it looks very unproffessional but i make use of what i ahve  

 

 

 offffffffffff ya!!!{#lang_emotions_owned}

19.       mltm
3690 posts
 13 Oct 2008 Mon 01:21 am

 

Quoting doudi94

the morrocan and alerian and libyan dialects i dont even know how they sound because ive never seen their media, they dont have popular isngers or srtuff but i think its close

 

 They have!

Forexample Cheb Mami, Khaled, Faudel etc, but gulf arabians told me that they don´t understand much from their dialects.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PMzIl_MnKrQ&feature=related

 

20.       si++
3785 posts
 13 Oct 2008 Mon 08:56 am

 

Quoting doudi94

yeaah!!There are so many turks learning Japanese!!! Its weird! the 2 cultures ahve nothing in common!

 

I think we have some common from our distant past. We were neighbours when we were in Central Asia. The fact that our languages are similar is not a coincidence.

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