Turkey |
|
|
|
Turk and Turkmen
|
1. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 04:29 pm |
I was wondering is there a difference between them? Because i go on some sites andit says for example turkmen countries and turkey, and on some language sites its ays turkish and turkmenli, so are they both teh same thing?
|
|
2. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 04:36 pm |
Turkmenistan is a different country, in Central Asia.
Turkmen is an adjective describing something from Turkmenistan, just as Turk or Turkish describe s.t. from Turkey.
But, they have similar roots, and ancestors, as the Turks originally came from Central Asia.
|
|
3. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 04:40 pm |
okay i get it...
But is turkmenli the sam theing, because theres a channel (its Iraqi) its called turkmenli TV but they speak in turkish, so is it Turkmenli language but its close to turkish so i think its turkish?
|
|
4. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 06:55 pm |
okay i get it...
But is turkmenli the sam theing, because theres a channel (its Iraqi) its called turkmenli TV but they speak in turkish, so is it Turkmenli language but its close to turkish so i think its turkish?
They speak a language very close to Anatolian Turkish. Yes it is Turkish.
How do you watch that channel? Satellite dish?
|
|
5. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:02 pm |
They speak a language very close to Anatolian Turkish. Yes it is Turkish.
How do you watch that channel? Satellite dish?
yeah on satellite dish , i found it by accident, teh nice thing is taht they most of teh time have the arabic translation under, so it helps me undertsand what theyre saying sometimes but its a really stupid channel, you know it looks very unproffessional but i make use of what i ahve
|
|
6. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:26 pm |
They speak a language very close to Anatolian Turkish. Yes it is Turkish.
How do you watch that channel? Satellite dish?
My neighbour´s wife is from Turkmenistan. She told me it took her three months to learn Turkish once she moved here and asked me why it is taking me so long!
|
|
7. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:36 pm |
My neighbour´s wife is from Turkmenistan. She told me it took her three months to learn Turkish once she moved here and asked me why it is taking me so long!
Actually 3 months is too long for someone who speaks any sort of Turkish. My uncle´s son frequently visits Turkic republics in central Asia and he told me that it would take me 2 or 3 weeks to speak their language.
|
|
8. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:39 pm |
yeah on satellite dish , i found it by accident, teh nice thing is taht they most of teh time have the arabic translation under, so it helps me undertsand what theyre saying sometimes but its a really stupid channel, you know it looks very unproffessional but i make use of what i ahve
I see a lot of TV programs imported from Turkey. Music clips, movies, series etc. It´s good for you that they have Arabic translation. I also like it when I see some subtitles in a language I understand better than the language I listen to at the same time.
|
|
9. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:44 pm |
Actually 3 months is too long for someone who speaks any sort of Turkish. My uncle´s son frequently visits Turkic republics in central Asia and he told me that it would take me 2 or 3 weeks to speak their language.
It depends on the country!
I have sat and had a conversation with a Türkmen, with him speaking Türkmence and me speakin Türkçe and we understood each other fine. I can follow Azeri TV, and have spoken with some Azeris (me Turkish - them Azeri).
But Üzbek and Kazakh are one step further removed. You dont just swap vowel sounds, you swap consonants as well e.g. men = ben etc.
|
|
10. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:46 pm |
It depends on the country!
I have sat and had a conversation with a Türkmen, with him speaking Türkmence and me speakin Türkçe and we understood each other fine. I can follow Azeri TV, and have spoken with some Azeris (me Turkish - them Azeri).
But Üzbek and Kazakh are one step further removed. You dont just swap vowel sounds, you swap consonants as well e.g. men = ben etc.
These are dilaects in one country or lots of countries?
|
|
11. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 07:56 pm |
I have sat and had a conversation with a Türkmen, with him speaking Türkmence and me speakin Türkçe and we understood each other fine. I can follow Azeri TV, and have spoken with some Azeris (me Turkish - them Azeri).
Nice. Being able to speak Turkish means that you can easily communicate in those countries too. It´s an extra payoff for Turkish learners.
|
|
12. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 08:03 pm |
These are dilaects in one country or lots of countries?
They are considered separate languages but Turkic languages are very close and it shouldn´t take one to learn the other. I would say Azeri has 90% common with Anatolian Turkish. I can easily undertand when they speak in Uzbek language for example. They are thousands of kilometers away from here and we were separated for hundreds of years since we were speaking close languages.
Compare this to the dialects in Italy. They told me they would not understand it if somebody from 30 km away speaks their local dialect.
|
|
13. |
06 Oct 2008 Mon 08:09 pm |
They are considered separate languages but Turkic languages are very close and it shouldn´t take one to learn the other. I would say Azeri has 90% common with Anatolian Turkish. I can easily undertand when they speak in Uzbek language for example. They are thousands of kilometers away from here and we were separated for hundreds of years since we were speaking close languages.
Compare this to the dialects in Italy. They told me they would not understand it if somebody from 30 km away speaks their local dialect.
reminds me of arabic, each country has its own dialect but we all undertstand each other and most of us can sopeak the other dialects, but form e the dialect they speeak in the gulf is soow eird, i can hardly understand it, it makes theer voices soo thick! heheh and the morrocan and alerian and libyan dialects i dont even know how they sound because ive never seen their media, they dont have popular isngers or srtuff but i think its close
|
|
14. |
07 Oct 2008 Tue 03:59 pm |
There are Turkic people and Turkic languages. Here is a table showing lexical affinity among them. There are also distantly related languages like Finnish, Japanese, Korean etc. Especially Finnish is very close to Turkish in terms of syntax but it is completely different from vocabulary point of view.
isogloss | Old Turkic | Turkish | Uzbek | Uyghur | Tatar | Kazakh | Kyrgyz | Altay | Western Yugur | Fu-yü Gyrgys | Khakas | Tuvan | Sakha/Yakut | Khalaj | Chuvash |
z/r (nine) |
toquz |
dokuz |
toqqiz |
toqquz |
tuðýz |
toðýz |
toðuz |
toðus |
|
doðus |
toðýs |
tos |
toðus |
toqquz |
tăχăr |
*h- (foot) |
adaq |
ayak |
åyåq |
ayaq |
ayaq |
ayaq |
ayaq |
|
azaq |
azýχ |
azaχ |
adaq |
ataχ |
hadaq |
ura |
*VdV (foot) |
adaq |
ayak |
åyåq |
ayaq |
ayaq |
ayaq |
ayaq |
|
azaq |
azýχ |
azaχ |
adaq |
ataχ |
hadaq |
ura |
*-g (mountain) |
tað |
dað* |
tåð |
tað |
taw |
taw |
tō |
tū |
tað |
daχ |
tað |
dað |
týa |
tāð |
tu |
suffix *-g (mountainous) |
taðlýð |
daðlý* |
tåðlýq |
taðlýq |
tawlý |
tawlý |
tōlū |
tūlu |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
*-ń (burn) |
köy- |
köy-/küy- |
kuy- |
köy-/küy- |
köy- |
küy- |
küy- |
küy- |
|
|
köy- |
|
|
kie̯n- |
|
*In the standard Istanbul dialect of Turkish, the ð in dað and daðlý is not realized as a consonant, but as a slight lengthening of the preceding vowel.
Source : Wikipedia
Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages
|
|
15. |
08 Oct 2008 Wed 12:56 pm |
There are Turkic people and Turkic languages. Here is a table showing lexical affinity among them. There are also distantly related languages like Finnish, Japanese, Korean etc. Especially Finnish is very close to Turkish in terms of syntax but it is completely different from vocabulary point of view.
I would say Hungarian has more common with Turkish than any of those languages. There are a lot of Turkish words in Hungarian also grammar is very similar. I guess it would be easy for an Hungarian to learn Turkish and for a Turk to learn Hungarian language.
I also heard stories about Turks learning Japanese easily. And Japanese learning Turkish easily as well.
|
|
16. |
09 Oct 2008 Thu 07:54 pm |
There are Turkic people and Turkic languages. Here is a table showing lexical affinity among them. There are also distantly related languages like Finnish, Japanese, Korean etc. Especially Finnish is very close to Turkish in terms of syntax but it is completely different from vocabulary point of view.
I would say Hungarian has more common with Turkish than any of those languages. There are a lot of Turkish words in Hungarian also grammar is very similar. I guess it would be easy for an Hungarian to learn Turkish and for a Turk to learn Hungarian language.
I also heard stories about Turks learning Japanese easily. And Japanese learning Turkish easily as well.
yeaah!!There are so many turks learning Japanese!!! Its weird! the 2 cultures ahve nothing in common!
|
|
17. |
12 Oct 2008 Sun 11:52 pm |
Yeah, that´s true. I had Japanese classes last year, and it was not hard for me. Also teachers were saying that we learned it so fast, and our pronunciations were perfect
|
|
18. |
13 Oct 2008 Mon 12:13 am |
yeah on satellite dish , i found it by accident, teh nice thing is taht they most of teh time have the arabic translation under, so it helps me undertsand what theyre saying sometimes but its a really stupid channel, you know it looks very unproffessional but i make use of what i ahve
offffffffffff ya!!!
|
|
19. |
13 Oct 2008 Mon 01:21 am |
the morrocan and alerian and libyan dialects i dont even know how they sound because ive never seen their media, they dont have popular isngers or srtuff but i think its close
They have!
Forexample Cheb Mami, Khaled, Faudel etc, but gulf arabians told me that they don´t understand much from their dialects.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PMzIl_MnKrQ&feature=related
|
|
20. |
13 Oct 2008 Mon 08:56 am |
yeaah!!There are so many turks learning Japanese!!! Its weird! the 2 cultures ahve nothing in common!
I think we have some common from our distant past. We were neighbours when we were in Central Asia. The fact that our languages are similar is not a coincidence.
|
|
21. |
13 Oct 2008 Mon 09:00 am |
Yeah, that´s true. I had Japanese classes last year, and it was not hard for me. Also teachers were saying that we learned it so fast, and our pronunciations were perfect
I had read an article of Sinan Sinanoðlu in which he pointed out the similarities between Turkish and Japanese. In that article he said he learned Japanese very easily and his pronunciation was perfect according to Japanese people he talked to.
|
|
|