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Living &Pregnancy in Turkey
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:45 pm |
I may object strongly for replying with not related posts in a topic about pregnancy as well
We were discussing the first part of the topic "LIVING" so we are within the topic...... however, I object strongly to the fact that you objected strongly
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:47 pm |
We were discussing the first part of the topic "LIVING" so we are within the topic...... however, I object strongly to the fact that you objected strongly
I think you are discussing about dying because of your political sights, which is not even close to living and pregnancy
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:52 pm |
I think you are discussing about dying because of your political sights, which is not even close to living and pregnancy
Actually we were talking about racism - which is an extremely important factor when choosing to live in a country - don´t you think?
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:53 pm |
you know very well it is not entirely true. Definition of Turk is ethnicity.
Apart from Ataturk´s one saying ´Ne mutlu Turk´um diyene´, almost all talks about related to ´being a Turk´ relates to ethnicity not being a citizen of Turkey.
Which etnicity? As I said there´s no more one pure ethnic turk, but what you hear in your mind is Turk is anything other than Kurd, then what you do becomes kurdish nationalism.
I acknowledge that people should be more freer to live their culture and to talk their language but you cannot say that there is no step taken for this.
But the major problem that might separate us is "not being willing to be part of this one nation", then at this point there´s nothing Turkish government can do about.
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:53 pm |
I think you are discussing about dying because of your political sights, which is not even close to living and pregnancy
well..
But your moderator friend was participating too..
So are you saying your level as a mod is higher than meltem so you can warn her?
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:54 pm |
well..
But your moderator friend was participating too..
So are you saying your level as a mod is higher than meltem so you can warn her?
Caliptrix is not listed as a mod in this section of the forum
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08 Oct 2008 Wed 11:56 pm |
Hey I have been discussing and I hate to be interrupted! even if I´m violating the forum rules!!
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:00 am |
Which etnicity? As I said there´s no more one pure ethnic turk, but what you hear in your mind is Turk is anything other than Kurd, then what you do becomes kurdish nationalism.
I acknowledge that people should be more freer to live their culture and to talk their language but you cannot say that there is no step taken for this.
But the major problem that might separate us is "not being willing to be part of this one nation", then at this point there´s nothing Turkish government can do about.
I dont think you get the point here..Because of your nationalism kurdish nationalism is at this level right now in Turkey. (Because almost each nationalism defines itself more or less with hatred of ´others´ rather than ´love for your country´
You say ´steps are taken´, but Mltm, look at the article I quoted up there. Can you say that a person who is thinking that he/she is a kurd can live as free as you are? What if that person does not want to say ´Ne mutlu Turkum diyene´?
what are you going to do with it? He deserves to live in that country as much as you and I do!!
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:20 am |
well..
But your moderator friend was participating too..
So are you saying your level as a mod is higher than meltem so you can warn her?
I was really thinking that you were a reasonable person. Thanks a lot for showing me the right way, and your personality. You are the best!
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:28 am |
What if that person does not want to say ´Ne mutlu Turkum diyene´?
what are you going to do with it? He deserves to live in that country as much as you and I do!!
I have not read that article yet, but then the same question goes to you what if you said "ne mutlu Türküm diyene" and became competely equal to any other citizen? What will you lose, what do you have against this? Why do you always insist to pronounce your ethnical origins, in our daily life we have nothing to do with etnics. I´m not ethnically 100% turkish, but I do not feel that I have to be pure turkish to say that I´m a turk because I was born in Turkey, I got education there, I lived there with other turkish people. You are the one who tries to make things hard. In streets everywhere I hear kurdish people talk kurdish so loudly, if that´s what you mean and in their private as well no one bans them anything. However I think your problem is rather with "being a Turk", because you are indeed the one who thinks racistly.
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09 Oct 2008 Thu 12:28 am |
But no, I´d never say ´Ne mutlu Türküm diyene´, because to me, it sort of implies that anyone who claims to be something else, must be mutsuz.
To me, it is better to consider the meaning of these sentences, when it is said, and where it is said!
To gather the a society again, these should have been said after a very very heavy war! we talk about 1920s right?
Its their stupity to get that meaning and provake the people against other people with using this... That is also not true! but that doesnt again make it right to provake the other side...
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