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Between Neo-Ottomanism and Kemalism
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 01:04 am

I was not aware  that there is a word called Neo-Ottomanism

 

Turkey’s Middle East Policies

 

Turkey’s increased engagement in the Middle East reflects its desire to become a self-confident regional superpower. Yet, Ankara’s fraught handling of the Kurdish issue has been reactive, alarmist, and insecure. Unless Turkey learns to balance its opposing priorities, the country will witness an increase in ultra-nationalism and isolationism, concludes a new paper from the Carnegie Endowment.

Ömer Taspinar explains the two conflicting drivers of Turkey’s new activism in the Middle East: “Neo-Ottomanism,” which encourages engagement and projection of influence recalling Turkey’s multicultural, Muslim, and imperial past, and “Kemalism,” which aims to eliminate the perceived threat of Kurdish nationalism and protect Turkey’s secular, nationalist identity. He examines the impact of recent political developments, the re-emergence of the Kurdish challenge for Turkey’s foreign policy, and explores Ankara’s relations with the West and the Middle East, including its close ties with Syria and Iran. 
 
Key conclusions
  • Neo-Ottomanism motivates the foreign policy of Turkey’s ruling party, the AKP. Critics of the AKP, including the military and national security establishment, view neo-Ottomanism and its use of soft power in the Middle East as a threat to Turkey’s Kemalist secular identity.  
  • Turkey’s secular, nationalist establishment resents the West for supporting the Kurds and “moderate Islam” in Turkey, while the AKP’s neo-Ottomanism favors good relations with Washington and Brussels—an important realignment of Turkish foreign policy.
  • Both groups favor improved relations between Ankara, Tehran, and Damascus. Neo-Ottomans view engagement with Iran and Syria as part of Turkey’s growing regional influence, while Kemalists see a shared interest in containing Kurdish nationalism and preventing the emergence of an independent Kurdish nation on their borders.
  • Should a military or judicial coup overthrow the AKP—as almost happened in April 2007 and July 2008—a radical form of Kemalism could dominate Turkey’s domestic and foreign policy, leading to a more confrontational position on the Kurdish challenge, notably in Iraq.

Taspinar concludes:

“The stakes for Turkey and the future of the Middle East are high. Home to more than 70 million Muslims, Turkey is the most advanced democracy in the Islamic world. A stable, western-oriented, liberal Turkey on a clear path toward the EU would serve as a growing market for western goods, a contributor to the labor force Europe will desperately need in the coming decades, a democratic example for the rest of the Muslim world, a stabilizing influence on Iraq, and a partner in Afghanistan.
 
An authoritarian, resentful, and isolated Turkey, on the other hand, would be the opposite in every case. If its domestic politics were to go wrong, Turkey would not only cease being a democratic success story but also could become a destabilizing factor in the Middle East.”

2.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 03:28 am

 

Quoting Roswitha

I was not aware  that there is a word called Neo-Ottomanism.

 

Yes there is, which is an invention of Neo-Cons after cold war ceased according to the duty of Turkia in New World.

Former CIA´s Middle east headman Graham Fuller explains this: "Kemalism died. I think it is good that Kemalism came to an end. The big part of public in Turkey needs more respect for Islam, and wants to hug the history of Ottoman Empire"

 

which is Neo-Ottomanism , tabi yersen, TSK þimdilik yemedi...

 

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 04:32 am

 

Quoting armegon

Former CIA´s Middle east headman Graham Fuller explains this: "Kemalism died. I think it is good that Kemalism came to an end. The big part of public in Turkey needs more respect for Islam, and wants to hug the history of Ottoman Empire"

 

I hope Turks won´t embrace ideas that CIA headmen put forth for them. The above quote is such a manipulative statement... {#lang_emotions_you_crazy} Is there not enough respect for Islam in TR? I think Islam does not have enough respect for non-Muslims in Turkey, but certainly not the other way round. You can see a minaret every other step you make in TR and even non religious people in TR don´t dare to criticize Islam. Just look what happened to Aziz Nesin. Or all the incidents of people who drink or smoke in public in ramadan. This is certainly NOT democracy.

 

But of course, I understand why CIA might want Turkey to be an islamic republic under US control.

4.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 05:27 am

 

Quoting catwoman

I hope Turks won´t embrace ideas that CIA headmen put forth for them. The above quote is such a manipulative statement... {#lang_emotions_you_crazy} Is there not enough respect for Islam in TR? I think Islam does not have enough respect for non-Muslims in Turkey, but certainly not the other way round. You can see a minaret every other step you make in TR and even non religious people in TR don´t dare to criticize Islam. Just look what happened to Aziz Nesin. Or all the incidents of people who drink or smoke in public in ramadan. This is certainly NOT democracy.

 

But of course, I understand why CIA might want Turkey to be an islamic republic under US control.

 

go ahead catwoman, tell us why CIA might want Turkey go Islamic. I`m surprised that you can actually criticize America for it`s dirty agenda for the me and Turkey, but if I said the same thing, i`m sure you would accuse me of being an ultranationalist{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 06:42 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

go ahead catwoman, tell us why CIA might want Turkey go Islamic. I`m surprised that you can actually criticize America for it`s dirty agenda for the me and Turkey, but if I said the same thing, i`m sure you would accuse me of being an ultranationalist{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

I never enjoyed talking with self-absorbed, hateful mind-reader-pretenders, so no thanks, I will discuss it with someone else.

6.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 07:43 am

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

Quoting catwoman

I never enjoyed talking with self-absorbed, hateful mind-reader-pretenders, so no thanks, I will discuss it with someone else.

 

it`s so ironic that a Geert Wilders fan is accusing me of being hateful{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

7.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:26 am

 

Quoting catwoman 

But of course, I understand why CIA might want Turkey to be an islamic republic under US control.

 

Surprised too , anyway kitty its not about if there is enough respect or anyother religion. They are not related to freedom of religion, actually they had chosen Kemalism and nation state as a target, and thats just a cover for this like the expressions of democracy, freedom, humanism etc. that their inside are emptied.

Pentagon ordered a report to the Rand Corporation according to the personal judgements of CIA agent Muller named "The Prospects for Islamic Fundamentalism in Turkey" which draws a new path for Turkia called moderate Islam lol, Turkish Armed Forces of course rejected it and thats why there is continuing defamation campaign as a tool psychological war over TSK that are adhered their oaths to the Republic of Turkia. Actually now, the only foundation in Turkey withstand these, is the Armed Forces.

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:30 am

 

Quoting armegon

Surprised too , anyway kitty its not about if there is enough respect or anyother religion. They are not related to freedom of religion, actually they had chosen Kemalism and nation state as a target, and thats just a cover for this like the expressions of democracy, freedom, humanism etc. that their inside are emptied.

Pentagon ordered a report to the Rand Corporation according to the personal judgements of CIA agent Muller named "The Prospects for Islamic Fundamentalism in Turkey" which draws a new path for Turkia called moderate Islam lol, Turkish Armed Forces of course rejected it and thats why there is continuing defamation campaign as a tool psychological war over TSK that are adhered their oaths to the Republic of Turkia. Actually now, the only foundation in Turkey withstand these, is the Armed Forces.

Well

If you had something  (ie a regime)and if that ´thing´ can whitstand with the armed forces ONLY.

It can not be called democracy..can it?

 

9.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:40 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well

If you had something and if that ´thing´ can whitstand with the armed forces ONLY.

It can not be called democracy..can it?

 

 I try to mention only official foundations not the public, then moderate Islam(how can it be i dont know) is democracy, is it really? We experienced their understanding of democracy in Iraq, didnt we?

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:55 am

 

Quoting armegon

 I try to mention only official foundations not the public, then moderate Islam(how can it be i dont know) is democracy, is it really? We experienced their understanding of democracy in Iraq, didnt we?

 

What is hapenning in Iraq is ´the lowest for of imperialism´.

What is got to do with our republic´s struggle to reach to  full democracy (which was Ataturk´s ultimate goal too)?

I am not advocating moderate Islam here at all.But the real issue here is that, if you created a regime and if that regime can whitstand ONLY with the armed forces, something has gone wrong there.

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