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10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:55 am

 

Quoting armegon

 I try to mention only official foundations not the public, then moderate Islam(how can it be i dont know) is democracy, is it really? We experienced their understanding of democracy in Iraq, didnt we?

 

What is hapenning in Iraq is ´the lowest for of imperialism´.

What is got to do with our republic´s struggle to reach to  full democracy (which was Ataturk´s ultimate goal too)?

I am not advocating moderate Islam here at all.But the real issue here is that, if you created a regime and if that regime can whitstand ONLY with the armed forces, something has gone wrong there.

11.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 11:21 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

What is hapenning in Iraq is ´the lowest for of imperialism´.

What is got to do with our republic´s struggle to reach to  full democracy (which was Ataturk´s ultimate goal too)?

I am not advocating moderate Islam here at all.But the real issue here is that, if you created a regime and if that regime can whitstand ONLY with the armed forces, something has gone wrong there.

 

Oh Really?Whats their slogan while they were invading Iraq? Democratizing... whats their slogan for Turkey? Again democracy. And we see Iraq divided into parts now a bloody lake. Of course they have different plan to democratize each country. whats happening in Turkia now? A covered war is being experienced. Btw what do you think about a country who always interfering the internal affairs of other countries?

 

You saying the same thing with the so-called neo-liberals in Turkia who always parroting the exact expressions  with Neo-Cons in US as they have invented these ideology; "we do not support the moderate Islam" however the term moderate Islam is invented by their Aða Babalarý .  And I havent say that only the army protects regime besides...

12.       thehandsom
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 20 Oct 2008 Mon 12:06 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Oh Really?Whats their slogan while they were invading Iraq? Democratizing... whats their slogan for Turkey? Again democracy. And we see Iraq divided into parts now a bloody lake. Of course they have different plan to democratize each country. whats happening in Turkia now? A covered war is being experienced. Btw what do you think about a country who always interfering the internal affairs of other countries?

 

You saying the same thing with the so-called neo-liberals in Turkia who always parroting the exact expressions  with Neo-Cons in US as they have invented these ideology; "we do not support the moderate Islam" however the term moderate Islam is invented by their Aða Babalarý .  And I havent say that only the army protects regime besides...

 

I think you are making the mistake of mixing values and countries who speak of those values here.

According to your way of thinking, we have to be against the democray, because USA( in order to change the international opinion and persuade  American citizens) said that the war againts Iraq was about ´bringing democracy´.

Well, USA and the west DO NOT OWN the concept of democracy.

You are mixing two things here. Being anti-western and being anti western values. (They are called ´western values´ because the west invented them btw)

And Ataturk fought the armies from the west but he never rejected the western values.. 

In many cases he tried westernization of Turkey.

 

13.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 01:26 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well, USA and the west DO NOT OWN the concept of democracy.

 

Hmm nice way of twisting . Unfortunately they claim they are the castles of democracy. I havent said we should be against the democracy, im against the concept of democracy which they dictated to other countries and how they use democracy, humanism, freedom as an excuse to disconcert countries as once nationalism was used to divide countries. And im against their more democrat, humanist, arrogant liberal servants(that you continously quote their articles here ) in Turkia, capish?

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