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1.       bayan_güleç
posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:11 pm

Merhaba!

 

I am having a bit of trouble figuring out how the 3. Person Imperative should be translated here:


Dursun zaman, dursun diyorsun da
Oyun deðil ki yaþamak...


Duysun seni dönsün diyorsun da
Oyun deðil ki yaþamak...

 

Could someone please translate these for me so that I can get a better understanding of this part of speech?? I just don´t feel confident in my translation attempts.

 

Çok teþekkürler!

2.       Ozhan
9 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:22 pm

 

Quoting bayan_güleç

Dursun zaman, dursun diyorsun da
Oyun deðil ki yaþamak...


Duysun seni dönsün diyorsun da
Oyun deðil ki yaþamak...

 

Whatever you do, the lyrics will lose meaning.

I would go with...

You want to time to stop yet life is not a game.
You want him/her to hear you so (s)he can return yet life is not a game.

3.       Merih
933 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:22 pm

 

Quoting bayan_güleç

Merhaba!

 

I am having a bit of trouble figuring out how the 3. Person Imperative should be translated here:


Dursun zaman, dursun diyorsun da
Oyun deðil ki yaþamak...


Duysun seni dönsün diyorsun da
Oyun deðil ki yaþamak...

 

Could someone please translate these for me so that I can get a better understanding of this part of speech?? I just don´t feel confident in my translation attempts.

 

Çok teþekkürler!

 

 This is not an imperative.. if it was, then it would have been dur zaman, dur...:  This is

DILEK – SART KIPI

We add –se ,-sa at the end of the verb root or the body. It sometimes gives a condition, while sometimes just a wish.

We also use it for IF Clauses when it is combined with a tense. We can either put "Eger" in the start of the statement, or omit it completely, as the if meaning already exists in the suffix. This can also be used separately as isem, isen, ise, isek, iseniz, iseler… (except the wish statement form)

 

OLUMLU                                                      SORU

Yap-sa-m                                                      yapsam mi?

Yap-sa-n                                                       yapsan mi?

Yap-sa                                                          yapsa mi?

Yap-sa-k                                                       yapsak mi?

Yap-sa-niz                                                     yapsaniz mi?

Yap-sa-lar                                                     yapsalar mi?

 

OLUMSUZ                                                    SORU

Yap-ma-sam                                               yapmasam mi?

Yap-ma-san                                                yapmasan mi?

Yap-ma-sa                                                  yapmasa mi?

Yap-ma-sak                                                yapmasak mi?

Yap-ma-sa-niz                                            yapmasaniz mi?

Yap-ma-sa-lar                                             yapmasalar mi?

 

 

 

Let the time stop, let it stop, you say

Life is not a game (to play)...

 

Let him hear, and come back, you say

Life is not a game (to play)...

4.       anka
207 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:27 pm

Here "dursun!" is ordering in 3. Singular Person

 

Giving the meaning "let it stop" or "tell it to stop"... isn´t it?

 

You say me to tell it to stop but life isn´t a game..

going like that

 

 

 

 

5.       Ozhan
9 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:27 pm

Definantly let is better.

6.       Henry
2604 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:28 pm

Excellent explanation Merih, very helpful for learners!

7.       Merih
933 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:29 pm

 

Quoting Henry

Excellent explanation Merih, very helpful for learners!

 

 Thanks Henry..{#lang_emotions_wink}

8.       Ozhan
9 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:29 pm

 

Quoting anka

Here "dursun!" is ordering in 3. Singular Person

 

Giving the meaning "let it stop" or "tell it to stop"... isn´t it?

 

You say me to tell it to stop but life isn´t a game..

going like that

 

As Merih said, there is a wish here. So Im asking from 3rd singular person not ordering.

9.       Merih
933 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:32 pm

 

Quoting anka

Here "dursun!" is ordering in 3. Singular Person

 

Giving the meaning "let it stop" or "tell it to stop"... isn´t it?

 

You say me to tell it to stop but life isn´t a game..

going like that

 

 

Hey, that´s right... I think I was daydreaming.. it is imperative...{#lang_emotions_head_bang}

 

10.       anka
207 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:32 pm

okay...if only they understand Turkish better

Yes i like Merih´s explanations as well

O bilir

11.       bayan_güleç
posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:34 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 This is not an imperative.. if it was, then it would have been dur zaman, dur...:  This is

DILEK – SART KIPI

We add –se ,-sa at the end of the verb root or the body. It sometimes gives a condition, while sometimes just a wish.

We also use it for IF Clauses when it is combined with a tense. We can either put "Eger" in the start of the statement, or omit it completely, as the if meaning already exists in the suffix. This can also be used separately as isem, isen, ise, isek, iseniz, iseler… (except the wish statement form)

 

OLUMLU                                                      SORU

Yap-sa-m                                                      yapsam mi?

Yap-sa-n                                                       yapsan mi?

Yap-sa                                                          yapsa mi?

Yap-sa-k                                                       yapsak mi?

Yap-sa-niz                                                     yapsaniz mi?

Yap-sa-lar                                                     yapsalar mi?

 

OLUMSUZ                                                    SORU

Yap-ma-sam                                               yapmasam mi?

Yap-ma-san                                                yapmasan mi?

Yap-ma-sa                                                  yapmasa mi?

Yap-ma-sak                                                yapmasak mi?

Yap-ma-sa-niz                                            yapmasaniz mi?

Yap-ma-sa-lar                                             yapmasalar mi?

 

 

 

Let the time stop, let it stop, you say

Life is not a game (to play)...

 

Let him hear, and come back, you say

Life is not a game (to play)...

 

O wow!! Thanks a lot Merih! I wasn´t even thinking of the meaning being ´let´; for some reason I thought it should be translated as ´should´. Thank you so very much!!

 

Thank you to everyone for their input! {#lang_emotions_flowers}

12.       anka
207 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:34 pm

Ha ha... Merih! My friend! Don´t hit the walls with your head...

Your head is "lazým!" here for the learners very much {#lang_emotions_flowers}

13.       Merih
933 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 01:45 pm

 

Quoting anka

okay...if only they understand Turkish better

Yes i like Merih´s explanations as well

O bilir

 

 thanks Anka.. I am sleepless, and sometimes this site becomes addictive.. I can´t let it go, and have a nap{#lang_emotions_shy}... anyway, I was looking at the word, and it didn´t sound like order - though it is the order form..

 

EMIR KIPI

We use this form when we order someone to do something.

FOR EXAMPLE:

YAP+MAK / TO DO

YAP YOU

YAP+SIN HE, SHE, IT

YAP+IN(IZ) YOU

YAP+SINLAR THEY

 

 

 

GIT+MEK / TO GO

GIT YOU

GIT+SIN HE, SHE, IT

GID+INIZ YOU

GIT+SINLER THEY

 

Sometimes the future tense suffix – acak, - ecek  could acquire the meaning of order..

 *Bu kitabi okuyacaksin (oku)

*Hemen yanima geleceksin.(gel)

And sometimes, though imperative form is used, the order meaning will be lost, and it will acquire wish, request meaning. 

*Saglik olsun     *Allah kazadan korusun     *Kusurumuzu hosgörün     

*Sen ona bakma

14.       anka
207 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 02:02 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 thanks Anka.. I am sleepless, and sometimes this site becomes addictive.. I can´t let it go, and have a nap{#lang_emotions_shy}... anyway, I was looking at the word, and it didn´t sound like order - though it is the order form..

 

EMIR KIPI

We use this form when we order someone to do something.

FOR EXAMPLE:

YAP+MAK / TO DO

YAP YOU

YAP+SIN HE, SHE, IT

YAP+IN(IZ) YOU

YAP+SINLAR THEY

 

 

 

GIT+MEK / TO GO

GIT YOU

GIT+SIN HE, SHE, IT

GID+INIZ YOU

GIT+SINLER THEY

 

Sometimes the future tense suffix – acak, - ecek  could acquire the meaning of order..

 *Bu kitabi okuyacaksin (oku)

*Hemen yanima geleceksin.(gel)

And sometimes, though imperative form is used, the order meaning will be lost, and it will acquire wish, request meaning. 

*Saglik olsun     *Allah kazadan korusun     *Kusurumuzu hosgörün     

*Sen ona bakma

 AWWW SO SWEET YOU ADDED THIS MERIH !

MERIH and ANKA IN A COMPANY IN EXPLAINING, HA FRIENDS?

I strongly agree with you that this site is addictive....

Ha ha.. But i am not as hardworking as you in explaining everything.

You are doing it very well dear, but i am lazy !!

 

Loves to everyone...

 

15.       Merih
933 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 02:04 pm

 

Quoting anka

 AWWW SO SWEET YOU ADDED THIS MERIH !

MERIH and ANKA IN A COMPANY IN EXPLAINING, HA FRIENDS?

I strongly agree with you that this site is addictive....

Ha ha.. But i am not as hardworking as you in explaining everything.

You are doing it very well dear, but i am lazy !!

 

Loves to everyone...

 

 I am lazy too.. it is just that i am giving private lessons here, and I had to have my own curriculum... so its copyright belongs to me... he he he

16.       anka
207 posts
 18 Nov 2008 Tue 02:08 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 I am lazy too.. it is just that i am giving private lessons here, and I had to have my own curriculum... so its copyright belongs to me... he he he

 

 HAH HAA ! SWEET

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