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Gegen Die Wand
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10.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 10:52 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 You are confusing two films of Fatih Akin here Gegen die Wand / Duvara karþý (head on, in english I guess?) is a dramatic lovestory, and Crossing the Bridge is a musical documentary.

 

 Ah yes of course, you´re right Nevermind then

11.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 11:11 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Oh, I see what you mean, that´s a good point! But why do you think she becomes like the man she loves? She seemed like him before... not after.. maybe you could clarify that?

 

Well, at the beginning (I dont mean the beginning where they meet each other, because I agree, they are the same type of person tehre, though Sibel seems a bit more structuralized and knows hwat she wants, where Cahit is a total ´piece of shit´ it is sort of a stereotypical conflict inside her, i remember her shouting ´Ãch will leben, ich will ficken´ if I remember my german well (I want to live, I want to screw around) , but then she gets angry at some point when someone comes too close ´Im a married Turkish woman´. Yani, there is no way that the German and Turkish identity get together, it is one or the other, not a mix.

 

Cahit was the drunk guy who didn´t know where to stop, an alcoholist and a drugaddict. He remains that way for a while when they are married, where is Sibel, though wanting to live freely, also tries to tidy up the house, cook food and create a more structuralized as opposed to the anarchistic Cahit. When Sibel comes to Istanbul, (before she gets married and settles down!) she is leading a streetlife, she becomes the ´rubbish´ that Cahit was before (who now only drinks water and doesnt take alcohol anymore)

 

Akin plays with Turkish and west-European styled stereotypes of love. They dont identify themselves with their turkish background, Cahit barely speaks Turkish and Sibel wants to lead a free, western live. But they cant escape their traditional turkish background.

 

You could see the film as a ´tribute´ to the hard ´love-hate relationship´ of Turkey and EU, and many column writers have done this in their reviews, but as far as I read from Fatih Akin that wasnt his aim.

 

But I got that feeling too, especially in combination with the film Im Juli, I can also recommend that one.

12.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 11:45 pm

Interesting...well...if you were members of my library...you´d get to watch all the recent Turkish movies

 

Anyway....if you´re in London..watch out for the Turkish film festival 5th-18th December 2008 !

13.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 12:53 am

Hmmm... DK, I don´t actually see it as her becoming like the man she loved... it was more of an incident in my view. 

 

And.. I´ve seen the movie "Im Juli" long time ago and sorry... but I thought it was the most boring movie ever! lol

14.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:03 am

 

Quoting catwoman

Hmmm... DK, I don´t actually see it as her becoming like the man she loved... it was more of an incident in my view. 

 

And.. I´ve seen the movie "Im Juli" long time ago and sorry... but I thought it was the most boring movie ever! lol

 

 Well thats the nice thing baout cinema and art right, you can see in it as you please

 

I enjoyed im Juli but it was no way near as sublime as Gegen die Wand. I dont think it was boring or particularly bad, it just wasnt particularly awesome. Zevkler, renkler

15.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:05 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Well thats the nice thing baout cinema and art right, you can see in it as you please

 

Again... good point...

16.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:09 am

Ok....film buffs and Fatih lovers... There´s another film co-produced by Fatih´s company, Corazon, which Fatih himself mentioned to me.. called ´Takva´ . It may not be for everyone, but I personally thought it was well researched and well made. I´ll let you find out about it yourselves..

17.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:30 am

 

Quoting Waseem_UK

Ok....film buffs and Fatih lovers... There´s another film co-produced by Fatih´s company, Corazon, which Fatih himself mentioned to me.. called ´Takva´ . It may not be for everyone, but I personally thought it was well researched and well made. I´ll let you find out about it yourselves..

 

 Another ´reason to use Turkish Class´: you can get in contact with famous Turks You have become our new link to Fatih today, where Vineyards has become the link to Mercan Dede. Keep it coming! Anyone who knows Sezen Aksu please feel free to let me know, so that I can persuade her to come sing at my yet undetermained wedding lol

18.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:43 am

Esther, you might also like to see this  critically acclaimed  Turkish drama

 

Fratricide (2005)
Brudermord

 

by Yilmaz Arslan who explores the emotional journey of two young Kurds Nurretin Celik and Erdal Celik who leave their turbulent homeland behind and relocate to Germany, only to encounter a harsher reality. Is the brotherly friendship between one of the young men and a small boy Xevat Gecgtan he takes under his wing enough to rage against the bitterness around them?

 

19.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:46 am

Thanks, I´ll have a look at it my next trip to Turkey (hopefully around Christmas!). Kadir is a cinema-fan as well so.

20.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 01:50 am

I will never! forget this Turkish movie, it still haunts me!!

 

 

Journey of Hope

 

Synopsis: The wrenching true story of one man´s dream to build a better life for his family by emigrating from Turkey to Switzerland. Academy Award: Best Foreign Language Film.

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