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Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana
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100.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:52 pm

 

Quoting armegon

I keep saying that she is terrorist like many other terrorists. Other terrorist leaders do no take arms and maybe never killed anybody but direct a terrorist organisation. Do this chahged the fact that they are terrorists?

 

haha.

Are you sure about she ´directed a terrorist organization´?

She was never ever directed or managed any terrorist organisation and you very well know that..

She does not live in Northern Iraq. She lives in Turkey. She is watched all the time.

Are you not aware that because you putting zana type people

WHO NEVER KILLED ANYBODY

WHO NEVER DIRECTED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

WHO NEVER TOOK ARMS INTO HER HANDS

people are still getting killed?

Are you saying that putting zana type people into jail helps to solve ´our Kurdish problem´?

Are you sure that jailing Zana helps the peace we are trying to achive in Turkey?

101.       lesluv
722 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 07:04 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

This is like putting Gerry Adams of N Ireland in jail..

Can you not see the parallels here?

In N Ireland, they did not put Gerry Adams into jail and he made IRA put the arms away..

Now, nobody gets killed there..

 

 

 not the best example........

A convicted IRA bomber has said that the Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams was "my commanding officer" at the time of the bombing. (says) Dolours Price, who with her sister Marion was convicted of involvement in a four car-bomb attack on London on March 8, 1973, made the claim at a republican event in February, according to witnesses.- Irish Echo Newspaper Corp March 2001

102.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 07:38 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

haha.

Are you sure about she ´directed a terrorist organization´?

She was never ever directed or managed any terrorist organisation and you very well know that..

She does not live in Northern Iraq. She lives in Turkey. She is watched all the time.

Are you not aware that because you putting zana type people

WHO NEVER KILLED ANYBODY

WHO NEVER DIRECTED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

WHO NEVER TOOK ARMS INTO HER HANDS

people are still getting killed?

Are you saying that putting zana type people into jail helps to solve ´our Kurdish problem´?

Are you sure that jailing Zana helps the peace we are trying to achive in Turkey?

 

Completely nonsense, everybody knows she is a preacher to public, and advices Kurds to be terrorists while she was praising the terrorist leader. This means she is a terrorist, and directs people, responsible for all killed innocents. You again want to talk how to solve Kurdish issue as we talked many times here, you lost at the beginning when you try to justify terrorism by defending these Kurdish racists, and im right with my thoughts about you...

103.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 07:56 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Completely nonsense, everybody knows she is a preacher to public, and advices Kurds to be terrorists while she was praising the terrorist leader. This means she is a terrorist, and directs people, responsible for all killed innocents. You again want to talk how to solve Kurdish issue as we talked many times here, you lost at the beginning when you try to justify terrorism by defending these Kurdish racists, and im right with my thoughts about you...

 

Now you are losing this argument.

You are acknowleding that she has been TALKING only..

And you still dont get the direct relations between putting people into jail for JUST talking and the basic human rights.

I was not trying to justify the terrorism at all..

All I was trying to say was, when you put people into jail for just speaking is resulting in MORE deaths..(and you dont need to be very clever to see that)

And, somehow your desire of revenge from the people who dont think same as you do, is resulting more deaths of my country´s citizens.

You are guilty of believing the army who lied to all of us and the people who do not want to finish this war, the people who make money and living out of this war.

 

 

 

104.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 07:59 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

You are acknowleding that she has been TALKING only..

 

 Well, you could say that Hitler was TALKING only

105.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 08:06 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Well, you could say that Hitler was TALKING only

 

Hitler gave orders to kill people. That woman never gave orders to kill people.. ..lol


When she was put in jail years ago, all she said was ´I have completed this formality under duress. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.´ in Kurdish in the parliment and the result was 10 years in jail..

106.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 10:50 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Hitler gave orders to kill people. That woman never gave orders to kill people.. ..lol

 

 , she declares Öcalan as her leader and Kurds leader, means she is under the order of a terrorist leader, so she also a terrorist, thats what normal person perceives from that declaration, actually she is political representetive of terrorists and brain-washeds. btw im losing nothing, im behind my words, if her preachings is just speaking, nothing can be said to that sick mentality that directs people to kill civilians or Turkish soldiers even Kurds who do not bow down. Actually that sick racist mentality of ones like Zana & Ayna, results more people killed...

107.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Dec 2008 Sat 12:12 am

 

Quoting armegon

 , she declares Öcalan as her leader and Kurds leader, means she is under the order of a terrorist leader, so she also a terrorist, thats what normal person perceives from that declaration, actually she is political representetive of terrorists and brain-washeds. btw im losing nothing, im behind my words, if her preachings is just speaking, nothing can be said to that sick mentality that directs people to kill civilians or Turkish soldiers even Kurds who do not bow down. Actually that sick racist mentality of ones like Zana & Ayna, results more people killed...

 

Well, you like it or not but there are at least 5 million Turks/Kurds think that Ocalan is their leader and they symphatise with him (actually most of them are quite keen on him. if he says die to them, they will die).

When you add others who dont like Ocalan but symphatise with the kurds because of all those anti democratic asimilation and treatment, you have already lost it..

Are you going to call them terrorist too? are you going to put them in jail too?

(think of islamic world, think of pakistani people for example, at least 80% of them supports osama, are they all terrorists? they should all be put in jail?)

 

Not seeing this reality, putting people like Zana in jail (who never took arms, never killed anybody and still insists that ´Turks and Kurds should find a way to live together peacefully´  and STILL believing in people who lied to you repeatedly (starting from K Evren´s speaches -such as ´there is no such a thing as kurds they are all mountain turks to we have only terrorism problem which is supported by foreign powers blah blah-) caused the death of 40.000 thousand people (mainly Kurds). Do you want more? How much more?

 

I will repeat again, if British goverment put people like Gerry Adams into jail there would still be killing in N Ireland. 

Why do we keep insisting that Turkish lives are not as important as British lives? 

why are we still not trying to stop this blood bath? 

The answer is ´mentality´ which keeps feeding itself with the blood.

108.       libralady
5152 posts
 06 Dec 2008 Sat 12:25 am

 

Quoting lesluv

 not the best example........

A convicted IRA bomber has said that the Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams was "my commanding officer" at the time of the bombing. (says) Dolours Price, who with her sister Marion was convicted of involvement in a four car-bomb attack on London on March 8, 1973, made the claim at a republican event in February, according to witnesses.- Irish Echo Newspaper Corp March 2001

 

Absolutely Lesluv!  Gerry Adams was just clever not to get caught, he orchestrated many many deaths.  He made sure his hands were not bloodied, others did the work for him and took the punishment. 

109.       libralady
5152 posts
 06 Dec 2008 Sat 12:30 am

 

 

I will repeat again, if British goverment put people like Gerry Adams into jail there would still be killing in N Ireland. 

 

 In that respect there is always someone to take their place.  Just because he did not get put into jail does not mean he is not guilty.  The IRA killed many innocent people and he was the leader of Sinn Fien, therefore in my book he was as guilty as the men who pulled the trigger.  He could have stopped the killings with the click of his fingers.

 

The real hero of the cease fire was the late and incredible Mo Molem not Gerry Adams and co.

110.       lesluv
722 posts
 06 Dec 2008 Sat 12:31 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

In N Ireland, they did not put Gerry Adams into jail and he made IRA put the arms away..

 

 and as he was their commanding officer it was quite easy for him to do this

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