and as he was their commanding officer it was quite easy for him to do this

 +1

 And like I said, the incredible Mo Mowlem was the main instigator for the ceasefire and which was the catalyst for giving up arms.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/northern_ireland/understanding/profiles/mo_mowlam.stm

btw..

Giving british gov and Gerry Adams as an example is not a sport for Gerry Adams..

It was just to give an example that how British goverment put their citizens lives ahead of everything and FINISHED the killings..

Of course G Adams and Martin McGuinness were running the IRA.. 

I guess the question remains with me...is she an advocate for terrorism or not?  Just based on this article her words were not threatening...in fact it sounded more of a person who wants the two to unite...am I wrong?

 According to you then, Turkey has 5 million terrorists to deal with since they can die for terrorism by killing people includin Zana.  Are you one of them?

I dont think we have problem with peaceful people, actually these people has problems with these terrorists.  But again you are making agitations, as only Kurds the poorest ones and only the Kurds mistreated in Turkey; just have a look at all people in Turkey instead of focusing on only Kurds and instead of defending their Kurdish racists and terrorists but since i dont see these, i put you in that racist group. Your double-standards force me to think like this unfortunately.

How you come this conclusion? did you make a poll? Imo who supports that vahhabi puppet freak called ossama is also a terrorist, nothing changes because they can kill civilians with an order like an installed robot, just like the cave men in Kandil. But since im working with some Pakistanis, they curse ossama since hes using the name Islam, maybe i only came up with the intellectuel ones.

What reality are you talking about? She is threatenin Turkey and Turkish army by terrorism, is this how she trying to create peace? By dividing the nation with her retarded mentality. Nobody lied to me, im not a fan of Evren either, actually i dont like him if you did care to my posts here but i think you only see your own nose rather than this; claiming that im a fan of Evren. It seems you are brainwashed by propogand of terrorists and parroting same thing here as putting all blame to Turks and Turkish army, you are blind to see the reality that Kurds are being used. Surely i dont want more people killed but seems Zana and their bosses want more, one can observe these tense created by these racists nowadays...

 Hmm, i know at last you will shout "freedom for terrorist in Ýmralý", we know the situation when he was outside...Are these terrorists orphans when he is now in jail? I dont think so, he also does what he want from jail, anyone cant find a jail like this, thanks to your bla blas

 What is this? I have never claimed someting like that, are you fine?

You are not making sense now..I am not even Kurdish and I find Ocalan quite primitive. 

I never defended any of the racism in my entire life to be honest. But I always thought that kurdish racism was the result of Turkish racism. You may keep saying that we dont have problems with peaceful people but jailing Kurdish politicians proving that you are not right. 

Possibly, it is the case..But I lived in Pakistan for more than 2 years so I think I may claim that I have more experience on the issue. (even General Musarraf accepted the fact that he would not catch Osama because, he was afraid of the aftermath)

I believe that Turkish nationalism is the one playing (and have played) a dividing role here by not accepting the reality that there are other minorities living in our country and trying to make them Turkish..

Well as you see, it has not been working (please check the sark islahat plani thread about the treatment of Kurds since the beginning of the republic).

There are many thing to be said about the lies you were told and you believed ( from statements from the army about ´we dont have kurdish problem, it is all foreign powers´ to JITEM, Ergenekon) But I wont have a go on them.

But I believe from your statements, you   opposed to the generals when they banned the kurdish language or changed the kurdish viallage names and when they told ´there are no kurds. they are mountain turks´.. And I am sure you did not believe them when they burned the villages in the east and said that ´we did not do it´. or when Jitem killed those thousands of kurds and the army said that ´they have no idea what happened to them´.

Well it is good to know

Calm down..

See.. you still dont get the parallels here..How cleverly the Brits stopped the killings there. Because they value the lives of their citizens..They put their citizens lives ahead of everything (they even talked to known terrorists in order to stop the bloodshed)..

 Jailing of Kurdish politicians who never killed or took arms will cause more unrest..and more deaths..

That is what you are FAILING TO SEE. 

I know you do your hate propaganda So this is not responds to you I just want to inform people who dont know much about Turkey.

according to 2007 votes, less than 1.5 million people voted for DTP (which is a political party with full of "Zana" kind people. they wont declare pkk is a terrorist organization. We can say that "at least they are sympathise with it". )   I dont believe all of these people voted for them because of that DTP is related to pkk. and "attributing them with ready to die for pkk" would be just a huge (and ignorant) exaggeration for most of them. BUT lets accept this imputation and assume that they are all ready to die for pkk (or for öcalan "the baby killer"). if we assume +1 million for under 18 years old who cant vote (even with babies included)  that equals to 2.5 million people. (for the record Kurdish population more than 15 million) They totally 2.5 million Turkey has 70 million (approx.)

I have few words for pkk supporters: if you think your whining in everywhere will force Turkey to step back, you can continue dreaming. if you think Turkey´s endurance  eventually will break down and have to agreement with pkk you can continue dreaming.  if you think death tolls of turk and kurd soldiers will eventually force Turkey to an agreement you can continue dreaming. You should know that there are lots of people ready to die for Turkey, they say "VATAN SAÐOLSUN".

It was not a hate propaganda actually, it was my attempt the INSERT the truth into ignorance and blindness I see around here.

My numbers are taken from a column in Turksish daily news paper AND the columnist numbers are based on a petition abou A Ocalan (I will give the link for you in the end to the article)

"Abdullah Öcalan’ý beðenirsiniz, Abdullah Öcalan’ý beðenmezsiniz.

Bu memlekette Öcalan’ýn MEFTUNU OLAN/HASTASI OLAN/Öcalan’ý LÝDERÝ BÝLEN/ÖL DESE ÖLECEK OLAN en az, hakikaten abartmadan söylemeye gayret ediyorum 
EN AZ: BEÞ MÝLYON insanýmýz var."

You like A Ocalan or not. In this country we have at least 5 million OUR people who are ready to die for Ocalan without an exaggeration´

"Bu memlekette 25 yýlýn sonunda, 30 yýlýn sonunda Kürt Hareketi için/içinde illa billa Abdullah Öcalan’ýn NE ANLAM TAÞIDIÐINI inkâr etmekte ýsrarcý olmak ARTIK körlük, körleþme, kör parmaðým gözüne filan deðil: ateþin yanmasýna duyulan ýsrarcýlýkla, bir nevi hainlik, açýkça zalimliktir."

In this country, after 25 or 30 years, still ignoring the fact ´what A Ocalan means to Kurds´ and insisting of ignoring it DOES NOT ONLY mean being BLIND, but it is a kind of TREASON and clearly BEING CRUEL.

"Sen yapma doðru dürüst okumaný. Alma gereken tedbirleri. Verme on yýllardýr esirgediðin haklarý. Ýnat et! Israr et! Baþarýsýzlýðýný azýcýk yüzüne vuranlarý tehdit et!
Al elâlemin çocuklarýný, Allah’ýn kuzucuklarýný: at ateþe! Fýrlat ölüme!
Abdullah Öcalan’ýn televizyon seyredebilmesi, 3 çocuðun hayatýný kurtaracaksa; ben plazma televizyon kurdururum hücresine arkadaþ."

You dont read the situation properly, do not take the necessary measures, do not give the rights to those people for tens of years. you insist! and when someone slap you in the face  about how unsuccessful you are  then, you threaten people..

You take others boys into the army, throw them into fire! throw them into their deaths!

If A Ocalan watching tv will save 3 boys lives; I personally would put a plasma tv into his cell´

The rest of the article is here for you gencturk (IN TURKISH):

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Default.aspx?aType=YazarYazisi&ArticleID..08&PAGE=2

This thread is in danger of claiming the longest and most labourious posts in the history of TC.

Proceed with care...

 This is the thread you should have posted the "Warning" sign on!