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1.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:31 am

I wonder that is turkey know in USA? or Americans are mainly know Turkey? or Is turkey know in the World? (note: my english is not good {#lang_emotions_confused}  )

2.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:34 am

 

Quoting Calikusu

I wonder that is turkey know in USA? or Americans are mainly know Turkey? or Is turkey know in the World? (note: my english is not good {#lang_emotions_confused}  )

 

 Calik..I´m not sure what your trying to say...Lady or Sui?

3.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:35 am

Are you asking if Turkey is wellknown in the world or not?

4.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:38 am

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

Are you asking if Turkey is wellknown in the world or not?

 

 Sui..ask her in turkish since she is turkish...this may help.

5.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:40 am

Of course Turkey is well known! Even Kelly Pickler has heard of Turkey  {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTDkfkoBaI

6.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:40 am

 

Quoting Calikusu

I wonder that is turkey know in USA? or Americans are mainly know Turkey? or Is turkey know in the World? (note: my english is not good )

Quoting teaschip

 Calik..I´m not sure what your trying to say...Lady or Sui?

 

I think he/she wants to say something like ´Do the USA/Americans know Turkey (know it exists)? Is Turkey known in the World?´

 

 

7.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:44 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

I think he/she wants to say something like ´Do the USA/Americans know Turkey (know it exists)? Is Turkey known in the World?´

 

 maybe she watched the video of a guy, you know he was asking which country located where on a map?

8.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:50 am

Of course Turkey is well known! Even Kelly Pickler has heard of Turkey  {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTDkfkoBaI

{#lang_emotions_get_you}

9.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:52 am

I watched this video. but..  my question is not change

he/she understand me.Quote:

I think he/she wants to say something like ´Do the USA/Americans know Turkey (know it exists)? Is Turkey known in the World?´

10.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:53 am

 

Quoting Calikusu

I watched this video. but..  my question is not change

he/she understand me.Quote:

 so we say yes it is well know in the world!

 

next question please

 

11.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:56 am

The majority of Americans know were Turkey is located but  prefer going to Europe than to Turkey.  Distance plays a role too.

12.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:58 am

how are americans perspective to Turkey? for-instance, americans teen or child know Turkey? and how are americans child or teen perspective to Turkey?{#lang_emotions_wink}

13.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 04:24 am

 

Quoting Calikusu

how are americans perspective to Turkey? for-instance, americans teen or child know Turkey? and how are americans child or teen perspective to Turkey?{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

are you obsessed?{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} sure, american children know turkey from thanksgiving but nothing more than that. actually the adult ones are not any wiser in this regard.

 

so to sum it up in turkish;

 

bu turkiye konulari amerikalilarin seyinden assaa kasimpasa.

14.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:09 am

 Americans are more attracted to Europe and their culture rather than Turkey more appealing due to their location.  When it comes to the Middle East many Americans are a bit nervous about traveling to.  Over the past few years the anti-american sentiment has grown..so I believe this has deterred our citizens to travel to Turkey including the Middle East in general.

 

Our education system focuses primarly on American History and touches on World History.  So no of course many Americans are not familiar with Turkey and it´s history. Unless of course your a world traveler or interested in geography and world cultures.

 

 

15.       aneczkabubu
26 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:14 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

are you obsessed?{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} sure, american children know turkey from thanksgiving but nothing more than that. actually the adult ones are not any wiser in this regard.

 

so to sum it up in turkish;

 

bu turkiye konulari amerikalilarin seyinden assaa kasimpasa.

 

 {#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}

16.       teaschip
3870 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:20 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

are you obsessed?{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} sure, american children know turkey from thanksgiving but nothing more than that. actually the adult ones are not any wiser in this regard.

 

so to sum it up in turkish;

 

bu turkiye konulari amerikalilarin seyinden assaa kasimpasa.

 

They discover Turkey when they are vacationing in Greece and Italy.{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}

17.       touta
2 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 06:28 am

actualy not to put anyone down there is not that big of a population of teenagers in USA that know about

i would say it is about 50% know  and the other don´t

18.       DaveT
70 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 07:07 am

Most Americans know virtually nothing about other countries or even regions of the U.S. other than their own. Therefore, most Americans know nothing about Turkey.

 

Even those Americans who are somewhat knowledgable about the rest of the world tend to know little about Turkey. As others have noted, Americans are most knowledgable about various European countries, especially the British Isles and France, followed by the other western European countries. There is also interest in Japan and China, as well as Australia.

 

Turkey is almost always lumped in as a "Middle Eastern", "Islamic" or even "Arabic" country. Other than geographers, historians or those with personal connections, there is no real understanding of what these terms mean, let alone the distinctions between them.

 

19.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:58 am

 

Quoting Roswitha

The majority of Americans know were Turkey is located but  prefer going to Europe than to Turkey.  Distance plays a role too.

 

Is Turkey much further than say, Greece (many Americans go there) from the US?  I live 3 miles from the Greek Island of Kos!  

20.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:12 pm

allright, if turkey join the europe countries, a lot of people know Turkey in the world.Am I right?

21.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:40 pm

 

Quoting Calikusu

allright, if turkey join the europe countries, a lot of people know Turkey in the world.Am I right?

 

 I don´t think it would make any difference at all!  Bed Amerikans only know about the US....they know nothing about any other country..whether it is EU or not

22.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:59 pm

Why? I dont get it. Why americans doesn´t know about world? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

23.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:01 pm

 

Quoting Calikusu

Why? I dont get it. Why americans doesn´t know about world? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Dunno - maybe they feel they are more important than anything else

Did you ever watch the news or read an Amerikan newspaper?  Apart from Iraq, there is virtually no world news at all! lol

24.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:01 pm

 

Quoting Calikusu

Why? I dont get it. Why americans doesn´t know about world? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

 OK - who´s going to be brave enough to answer this one?  lol lol

 

Edit:  Oh I see it was AE of Britannia lol

25.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:21 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

Oh I see it was AE of Britannia lol

 

 {#lang_emotions_super_cool}

26.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:28 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 OK - who´s going to be brave enough to answer this one?  lol lol

 

Edit:  Oh I see it was AE of Britannia lol

 

Well it depends on what American. Some do know a great deal about the world, however I have to admit, a lot don´t...but some do. I´m sad to say though, I think the majority have little knowledge or world history or current events, other than what happens in the USA.

 

By the way, just what Americans are we talking about? Canadians, Mexicans, Guatemalans, ....and the others...or USA Americans? Other Americans don´t particularly care to be grouped in with the USA people, from what I´ve heard....{#lang_emotions_angel}

 

I think it´s because they have had military and economic dominance, and have not felt the need to know much about the rest of the world.

 

 

27.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:34 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Well it depends on what American. Some do know a great deal about the world, however I have to admit, a lot don´t...but some do. I´m sad to say though, I think the majority have little knowledge or world history or current events, other than what happens in the USA.

 

 

 Hehehe well I must admit my mind has been changed slightly by you bed Amerikans (maybe you are the exceptions to the rule!)

 

I think we can assume North America (the "Mecca" of bed Amerikans)

28.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:47 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Hehehe well I must admit my mind has been changed slightly by you bed Amerikans (maybe you are the exceptions to the rule!)

 

I think we can assume North America (the "Mecca" of bed Amerikans)

 

Yes, you are right, but Canada and Mexico are also in North America.....however, they are usually careful to call themselves Canadian or Mexican. 

 

You know it very much depends on what part of America one is in as to the ethnic and cultural makeup. If you are in New York or the SanFrancisco area, it´s quite different. I went to Idaho and Utah once and was amazed at how many really white people there were there.

 

The San Francisco area is very Asian. In some districts you may even think you are in some part of Asia.

29.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 03:01 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Well it depends on what American. Some do know a great deal about the world, however I have to admit, a lot don´t...but some do. I´m sad to say though, I think the majority have little knowledge or world history or current events, other than what happens in the USA.

 

 

I agree - it depends on who you ask. Many people do not take an active interest in other countries, but there are also many people who do. News about current events are available but one needs to have an interest in them in order to be motivated to stay current.

 

I don´t think this is different than in any other country. The USA is comparable to Europe in size, is only bordered by 2 countries and isolated by the oceans from the rest of the world - I don´t think it´s surprising that whatever news are happening in Europe are of remote interest to an average person. I also don´t think that an average person, let´s say, in the UK would have an interest in the events in equatorial Africa or SE Asia. I think in general, people care more about things that are in proximity.

 

As far as Turkey, I find that most people I come in contact with are familiar with Turkey - I have not yet met a person that wouldn´t know where Turkey is. There´s a sizeable Turkish population in Chicago where I live - last year I´ve been to 2 really great festivals of Turkish culture, which were well attended and seemed to have generated a good deal of interest - there´s plenty of Turkish restaurants - all of it definitely contributes to how aware people are of this country.

 

30.       femmeous
2642 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 03:51 pm

the thread sounds so strange. what if i wrote "TURKSSS! LOOK HERE!"?

 

i dont mind if my country is not known, but it is now very popular thanks to my brother Borat.

31.       Iskenderunli
36 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 04:29 pm

I am an American who long ago lived in Turkey and love it very much.

 

But huge numbers of Americans cannot even identify the states around their own state on a map. In one study 38% of college graduating seniors identified the large country north of the United States as "Delaware".  Huge number of Americans - particularly in the largest cities where the very worst schools are - don´t even know the names of major political leaders of the country.

 

Americans live in a huge country such that they can travel thousands of miles and not approach a national border. That is not true in Europe and in the Middle East. America has many attributes and has been a world leader in many areas of accomplishment, but international curiosity is not one of them for the great masses of Americans.

 

That is unfortunate, but true. Americans, for the most part, do not have to have any knowledge of the rest of the world. Newspapers are dying in America. Television network news is being abandoned for cable stations. Even if every American read a newpaper everyday and watched television news, they wouldn´t learn anything about other countries unless there was some sort of sensational event to report - a plane crash or explosion, flood or earthquake. I recall watching for coverage of the last Turkish earthquake in the American press. It was reported in one or two sentences and if a map was used it was so small that detail was not defined.

 

News reporting in America is awful, but then, its done by news reporters. What do we expect. As one of my heroes once said, "Most people learn to read and wriote in 2nd grade and then they go on to better things."

32.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 04:47 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I agree - it depends on who you ask. Many people do not take an active interest in other countries, but there are also many people who do. News about current events are available but one needs to have an interest in them in order to be motivated to stay current.

 

I don´t think this is different than in any other country. The USA is comparable to Europe in size, is only bordered by 2 countries and isolated by the oceans from the rest of the world - I don´t think it´s surprising that whatever news are happening in Europe are of remote interest to an average person. I also don´t think that an average person, let´s say, in the UK would have an interest in the events in equatorial Africa or SE Asia. I think in general, people care more about things that are in proximity.

 

As far as Turkey, I find that most people I come in contact with are familiar with Turkey - I have not yet met a person that wouldn´t know where Turkey is. There´s a sizeable Turkish population in Chicago where I live - last year I´ve been to 2 really great festivals of Turkish culture, which were well attended and seemed to have generated a good deal of interest - there´s plenty of Turkish restaurants - all of it definitely contributes to how aware people are of this country.

 

I think the average Eurpean is much better educated than the average US citizen. It´´s not something I´m happy to say, but I think it´s true. The US educational system has been going down for years.

 

We have seen a great rise in private and "charter shcools" and the demise of public education. Today I´m amazed at the amount of young university aged people who are not seeking higher education. Many who do get higher education are in reality getting vocational training, rather than a good well rounded education. College is out of the economic capabilities of a great many who would have gone in the past.  For too many, If they do go, they all but become indentured servants to the credit industry....it´s terrible. How can one relax and get educated when this millstone is around one´s neck?

 

 I guess at least knowing something about the food of other nations is a start, but it hardly substitutes for deeper historic & cultural knowledge.

 

33.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:29 pm

 

Quoting alameda

I think the average Eurpean is much better educated than the average US citizen. It´´s not something I´m happy to say, but I think it´s true. The US educational system has been going down for years.

 

I guess at least knowing something about the food of other nations is a start, but it hardly substitutes for deeper historic & cultural knowledge.

 

It may very well be true that an average European is better educated than an average US citizen - and it´s something that will most likely be confirmed by various statistics. I also think that the educational system here leaves a lot to be desired (at least at the primary and high school level, once you get to the graduate (master-level and doctoral-level) education I do believe the situation changes in favor of American schools).

 

However, in my post I was comparing the motivations behind seeking current info about world news. As Iskenderunli said earlier, Americans don´t have to know about the world. At least not as much as their European counterparts. What is happening in Europe does not have an immediate impact on an average American as it would on an average European - the distance between Europe and the USA makes it less of a pressing issue. (And as I´m writing this I hear my American co-workers in the background discussing the situation in Greece lol). So my question is, what would motivate an average American citizen to feel compelled to learn about Turkey? I gave the example of the festivals and resturants as one of the means by which they could get interested in this country and I did not imply that eating kebabs is equivalent to "deeper historic & cultural knowledge". I don´t see not having in-depth knowledge about Turkey to be something to be embarassed about either - I wouldn´t expect a Turkish person to have an in-depth knowledge about, let´s say, Brazil or Canada  (unless they were interested in those countries for whatever reason). Those of us who are interested in Turkey, we are motivated to learn about it. I could hardly expect other people to share my enthusiasm. Why would they?

34.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:32 pm

 

Quoting alameda

I think the average Eurpean is much better educated than the average US citizen. It´´s not something I´m happy to say, but I think it´s true. The US educational system has been going down for years.

 

 Maybe it is the mulled wine, maybe it is the season, but I am LOVING your posts lately alameda lol

35.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:35 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Maybe it is the mulled wine, maybe it is the season, but I am LOVING your posts lately alameda lol

 

 I believe alameda is putting mushrooms in the mulled wine again!  {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

36.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:44 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I don´t see not having in-depth knowledge about Turkey to be something to be embarassed about either - I wouldn´t expect a Turkish person to have an in-depth knowledge about, let´s say, Brazil or Canada (unless they were interested in those countries for whatever reason).

 

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

37.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:48 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

 

 Tami.....don´t make me cancel your snow globe order!{#lang_emotions_you_smartass}

38.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:50 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

 

I´ll have to take your word for it, I haven´t done a survey between neither Turks nor Americans. My point is, I wouldn´t have that expectations of them, as I don´t expect an average American to have in-depth knowledge about Turkey.

 

I think we disagree somewhat in your second point. I don´t think it´s embarassing to not have an in-depth knowledge about Turkey. I do think it´s somewhat embarassing to not know anything at all. People should know something about everything and everything about something, in my humble opinon. 

39.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 05:54 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Tami.....don´t make me cancel your snow globe order!{#lang_emotions_you_smartass}

 

ok, for the sake of snowglobe, I agree with everyone here no matter what they say!{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

40.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 06:01 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

ok, for the sake of snowglobe, I agree with everyone here no matter what they say!{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 Awww....I knew you had a sweet side afterall!  {#lang_emotions_angel}

41.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 06:35 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Awww....I knew you had a sweet side afterall!  {#lang_emotions_angel}

 

 I am sure, even his sweet side is a sour as a lemon

42.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 06:44 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I can assure you that an average Turk has a deeper knowledge about Brazil or Canada than an average American about Turkey or Guatemala.

 

but I agree that not knowing anything about Turkey is not something embarassing.

 

 As the world gets smaller, and neighbors get closer, it behooves us to know our neighbors...and Turkey is an important neighbor. The impact of the Ottoman Empire on world events, past and present, can not be undestimated. In particular, in light of today´s events.

 

It is unfortunate that most Americans have very little knowledge about Turkey, or the rest of the world.

 

When one considers the youth of the USA, little over 200 years, and then considers the fact that many states are very new, like Alaska 1959, Hawaii 1959, one realizes it is a very young country, and as with most youth, it is still in the early developmental stages as it relates to other European countries (as well as other countries in the world) that have very long histories.

 

List of U.S. States by date of statehood

 

European countries have realized the importance of getting on with their neighbors.

43.       femmeous
2642 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 07:13 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 it behooves us to know our neighbors...and Turkey is an important neighbor. The impact of the Ottoman Empire on world events, past and present, can not be undestimated. In particular, in light of today´s events.

  

 

 this is a balsam for vineyards wounded soul

44.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 07:35 pm

 

Quoting alameda

European countries have realized the importance of getting on with their neighbors.

 

Which European countries exactly do you have in mind? Are you including the Balkan states? Eastern Europe (specifically Russia)? What did you base that statement on? I´m just curious.

45.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 08:10 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Which European countries exactly do you have in mind? Are you including the Balkan states? Eastern Europe (specifically Russia)? What did you base that statement on? I´m just curious.

 

How about thousands of years cultural identity, thousands of years of continuous ethnic, cultural development and evolution?

 

Names change, but the cultural evolution continues from an identifiable homogeneous root.

 

Definition of Europe

46.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 08:36 pm

 

Quoting alameda

How about thousands of years cultural identity, thousands of years of continuous ethnic, cultural development and evolution?

 

Names change, but the cultural evolution continues from an identifiable homogeneous root.

 

definition of European

 

Oh ok, so you´re talking about culture. I understood "getting on with neighbours" as peaceful relationships (in the sense of absence of military actions/threats against one another) - in which case I would have disagreed with you. European history is hardly a history of peaceful relations between countries, including most recent years. Thanks for the clarification {#lang_emotions_flowers}

 

I couldn´t open the "definition" link, but thanks anyway. I think I know what European stands for though

47.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 08:59 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

I couldn´t open the "definition" link, but thanks anyway. I think I know what European stands for though

 

it stands for "white christian" basically

48.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:02 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

it stands for "white christian" basically

 

 Hahaha you have obviously not been to "europe" lately then! lol

49.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:03 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Hahaha you have obviously not been to "europe" lately then! lol

 

lately? actually I have never been to there{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

50.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:04 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

lately? actually I have never been to there{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 Well, next time you go to London you can play "spot the white christian".....it may take a few hours! lol

51.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:07 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

it stands for "white christian" basically

 

 Should have done better in Vienna, it would have been "white, Muslim"

52.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:07 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Well, next time you go to London you can play "spot the white christian".....it may take a few hours! lol

 

is that the reason why all your presidents were white christians?

53.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:08 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

is that the reason why all your presidents were white christians?

 

We dont have presidents darling....Prime Ministers

Dont worry though, we have a fair few muslim and multi racial Lords and MPs

54.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:09 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 Should have done better in Vienna, it would have been "white, Muslim"

 

 Hahaha and in most of Europe too

55.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:09 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Should have done better in Vienna, it would have been "white, Muslim"

 

no wrong rhetoric, if that was the case all the balkans would be "white muslim" now. I think you`re still confusing us with your christian white ancestors{#lang_emotions_wink}

56.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:10 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

no wrong rhetoric, if that was the case all the balkans would be "white muslim" now. I think you`re still confusing us with your christian white ancestors{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

 London is not nicknamed Londonstan for nothing! lol

57.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:10 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

We dont have presidents darling....Prime Ministers

Dont worry though, we have a fair few muslim and multi racial Lords and MPs

so have you ever had a nonwhite nonchristian prime minister before?

I know the answer actually.{#lang_emotions_lol}

58.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:12 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

London is not nicknamed Londonstan for nothing! lol

 

hmm is it called so because of Turks? and since when is it called so? this is the first time Im hearing of it. you`re now talking like a white front fan

59.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:12 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

so have you ever had a nonwhite nonchristian prime minister before?

 

 It will be a long time before that happens.  Unfortunately a great majority of immgrants in our country do not choose to integrate into our culture.  This mass immigration is still a fairly new thing.... I am quite sure in a few decades it will happen

60.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:14 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

hmm is it called so because of Turks? and since when is it called so? this is the first time Im hearing of it. you`re now talking like a white front fan

 

 I am not at all a BNP/National front supporter - quite the reverse.  I am just stating facts.   It is not just because of Turks, we have many immigrants from muslim countries all over the world.  The last time I visited London, it was to a hospital there.  I was there for two hours and didn´t see an English person ONCE....despite there being hundreds of patients and doctors there. 

61.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:14 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

no wrong rhetoric, if that was the case all the balkans would be "white muslim" now. I think you`re still confusing us with your christian white ancestors{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

No confusion here {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

Btw, what makes you so sure I´m Christian or White?

62.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:17 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

It will be a long time before that happens. Unfortunately a great majority of immgrants in our country do not choose to integrate into our culture. This mass immigration is still a fairly new thing.... I am quite sure in a few decades it will happen

 

I know. when it comes to integrating, the British are the best{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}

 

 

honestly, those british expats living in turkey can`t even speak basic turkish even if they have been  living there  for 10 years.

 

do you know the percentage of brits in the south coast towns in Turkey? but we don`t call these  places silly and racist names like you do

63.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:18 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

No confusion here {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

Btw, what makes you so sure I´m Christian or White?

 

when did I say you`re christian and white?{#lang_emotions_noway}

64.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:18 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

it stands for "white christian" basically

 

 In that case you probably haven´t been to Europe!!  In the UK alone there are over 300 languages spoken, and France, Germany (2 million Turks!), Holland, Belguim Luxemburg, Denmark, Sweden..........................need I go on, may once have been predominately white christian, and probably are still considered that way, but just visit Leicester (in the UK) and white Christians are the minority!

 

Perhaps the only countries in the EU that could be considered white christian or orthodox are Poland, Lithuanian, Estonia, Latvia, Slovakia, Czech republic, Slovinia (might be white Muslims there) and Hungary (we call them the A8 countries) then there is Bulgaria and Romania (we call them the A2 countries) sort of whiteish, tanned I suppose.  And no doubt there is a splattering of muslims,but not to the extent of orignal EU7.                          

65.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:19 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I know. when it comes to integrating, the British are the best{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}

 

 

honestly, those british expats living in turkey can`t even speak basic turkish even if they have been  living there  for 10 years.

 

do you know the percentage of brits in the south coast towns in Turkey? but we don`t call these  places silly and racist names like you do

 

I agree with you!!!  The Brits are the worst at integrating!!!! 

 

However, I doubt if those Brits in Turkey bring crime and claim money and free housing from your government because they don´t work eh?

 

THIS IS why we have resentment in our country...

66.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:19 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

when did I say you`re christian and white?{#lang_emotions_noway}

 

 You referred to my christian and white ancestors.

67.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:19 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

I am not at all a BNP/National front supporter - quite the reverse. I am just stating facts. It is not just because of Turks, we have many immigrants from muslim countries all over the world. The last time I visited London, it was to a hospital there. I was there for two hours and didn´t see an English person ONCE....despite there being hundreds of patients and doctors there.

 

likewise you can`t see any Turk in the south east Turkey. so what?

68.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:20 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

You referred to my christian and white ancestors.

 

if you call yourself european, there is nothing wrong about referring to your ancestors christian and white.

 

or were they european and  at the same time jewish or muslim{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}?

69.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:20 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

likewise you can`t see any Turk in the south east Turkey. so what?

 

 You have NO idea of the difference in your two examples Tam.  Yeah, you have a few resort areas where rich Brits bought villas?  Again, I would ask, do they claim from your government for money to live on?  Do they ask for free housing? 

 

NO!  They spend money in your local stores.

70.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:23 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

However, I doubt if those Brits in Turkey bring crime and claim money and free housing from your government because they don´t work eh?

 

 

 

we get exactly the same from the Kurds, but the level of racism in Turkey is nothing close to that in Europe.

 

Im actually amazed at how freely you make such racist comments and still call yourself a "liberal". we can`t do that in Turkey.

71.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:24 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I couldn´t open the "definition" link, but thanks anyway. I think I know what European stands for though

 

 fixed it, if you update your quote it should import...

72.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:26 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

if you call yourself european, there is nothing wrong about referring to your ancestors christian and white.

 

or were they european and  at the same time jewish or muslim{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}?

 

I think you assume a good deal and that´s the point I´m making. I haven´t called myself European either.  It doesn´t really matter, I just would preffer if you didn´t make any assumptions about my ancestors if you don´t know me from Eve {#lang_emotions_angel}

73.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:27 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 You have NO idea of the difference in your two examples Tam.  Yeah, you have a few resort areas where rich Brits bought villas?  Again, I would ask, do they claim from your government for money to live on?  Do they ask for free housing? 

 

NO!  They spend money in your local stores.

 

 Can you imagine 300 language ever being spoken in Turkey? {#lang_emotions_unsure}  All those translators costs....................

74.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:54 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

we get exactly the same from the Kurds, but the level of racism in Turkey is nothing close to that in Europe.

 

Im actually amazed at how freely you make such racist comments and still call yourself a "liberal". we can`t do that in Turkey.

 

 So, how many nationalities live in Turkey and how many languages are spoken? Does the Turkish state provide translators free of charge?  What happens to non-Turks that get into trouble?  Does the Turkish state spend millions on research into migration or immigration?  Does the Turkish State set up organisations to deal with immigrants/migrants?  Does Turkey have parliamentary groups to discuss what to do with migrants, how to integrate them, should we provide ESOL training (English for Speakers of Other Languages) free?

 

I am totaly in favour of migration / immigration to the UK, so long as those groups make efforts to integrate into our society and follow our rules etc, as would happen if we went to their countries,

 

You mention Kurds, but they are not even able to speak their own language in Turkey?  If they come to the UK, and they do, they are allowed to speak Kurdish, run their own businesses too (mostly kebab shops! but hey we all like a good kebab after a night out on the booze!!!!!)

 

Ae is not being racist, she is stating facts pertinent to the UK.

75.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:56 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 fixed it, if you update your quote it should import...

 

 Awww thanks {#lang_emotions_flowers} How do yo do that by the way?

76.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:57 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 So, how many nationalities live in Turkey and how many languages are spoken? Does the Turkish state provide translators free of charge?  What happens to non-Turks that get into trouble?  Does the Turkish state spend millions on research into migration or immigration?  Does the Turkish State set up organisations to deal with immigrants/migrants?  Does Turkey have parliamentary groups to discuss what to do with migrants, how to integrate them, should we provide ESOL training (English for Speakers of Other Languages) free?

 

I am totaly in favour of migration / immigration to the UK, so long as those groups make efforts to integrate into our society and follow our rules etc, as would happen if we went to their countries,

 

You mention Kurds, but they are not even able to speak their own language in Turkey?  If they come to the UK, and they do, they are allowed to speak Kurdish, run their own businesses too (mostly kebab shops! but hey we all like a good kebab after a night out on the booze!!!!!)

 

Ae is not being racist, she is stating facts pertinent to the UK.

 

 +10000000000000

77.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:57 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

You mention Kurds, but they are not even able to speak their own language in Turkey? If they come to the UK, and they do, they are allowed to speak Kurdish, run their own businesses too (mostly kebab shops! but hey we all like a good kebab after a night out on the booze!!!!!)

 

 

 

yawn! still the same crap? move on libralady, move on. no one buys this pkk propaganda anymore.

78.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:02 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

yawn! still the same crap? move on libralady, move on. no one buys this pkk propaganda anymore.

 

 Yawn yawn, I will move on when you move on! haha did I mention PKK? I don´t think so, but I  am right, Kurdish is banned is it not?  I don´t use Kurd and PKK in the same breath.

79.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:05 pm

 

Quoting libralady

Yawn yawn, I will move on when you move on! haha did I mention PKK? I don´t think so, but I am right, Kurdish is banned is it not? I don´t use Kurd and PKK in the same breath.

 

no, it`s not banned. if you had not known that you could have asked instead of making wrong arguments and pretending to know everything.

 

so since Kurdish is not banned and Kurds can run kebab shops in Turkey too, what is your point?

80.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:08 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 Can you imagine 300 language ever being spoken in Turkey? {#lang_emotions_unsure}  All those translators costs....................

 

In Istanbul, 100 years ago, many languages are spoken, but unfortunately, we somehow kicked them out..

And our nationalists are still proud of that fact..

But when it comes to fill themselves with empty boastings, they will start talking that ´ahh we accepted the jews because you, Europeans were butchering them..

81.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:10 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

no, it`s not banned. if you had not known that you could have asked instead of making wrong arguments and pretending to know everything.

 

so since Kurdish is not banned and Kurds can run kebab shops in Turkey too, what is your point?

 

 The point is the rest of the post which you have chosen to ignore.  Go back and have a look.  How many nationalities in Turkey bit etc etc ! If you can answer - I am just interested thats all.

82.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:12 pm

 

Quoting libralady

The point is the rest of the post which you have chosen to ignore. Go back and have a look. How many nationalities in Turkey bit etc etc ! If you can answer - I am just interested thats all.

 

there aren`t many nationaities in Turkey, because there isn`t any immigration to Turkey, because Turkey is not as rich as your country. so what?

83.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:13 pm

Quote:

You mention Kurds, but they are not even able to speak their own language in Turkey?  If they come to the UK, and they do, they are allowed to speak Kurdish, run their own businesses too (mostly kebab shops! but hey we all like a good kebab after a night out on the booze!!!!!)

 

This mostly correct LL..

Speaking Kurdish is not banned now but a few years ago it was..

But it is still the case that they are unable to name their childeren in Kurdish, being treated as second class citizens by the racists etc.. 

84.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:14 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

there aren`t many nationaities in Turkey, because there isn`t any immigration to Turkey, because Turkey is not as rich as your country. so what?

 

There are not..

Because our nationalism got rid of them..

Shall I give you the dates and the incidents?

85.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:15 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

there aren`t many nationaities in Turkey, because there isn`t any immigration to Turkey, because Turkey is not as rich as your country. so what?

 

 You think we are a rich country?  You better start reading the paper then my boy! You would not come to England if you were forced to!!! We are in more debt that you could ever imagine and it will take years to get out of it.  We are parity with the Euro, well shit happens!

86.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:20 pm

 

Quoting libralady

You think we are a rich country? You better start reading the paper then my boy! You would not come to England if you were forced to!!! We are in more dept that you could ever imagine and it will take years to get out of it. We are parity with the Euro, well shit happens!

 

the gdp per capita of England is $35,000, whereas Turkey`s gdp per capita is just $12,000. That means England is almost 3 times richer than Turkey. Thus it has more and better job opportunities for imigrants.

 

If that`s not the case, why do you get immigration. do people come england because they love the nature and climate there?

87.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:20 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

But when it comes to fill themselves with empty boastings, they will start talking that ´ahh we accepted the jews because you, Europeans were butchering them..

 

 Actually they are wrong.  The UK was the ONLY country in Europe to accept the desparate Jews during World War II.  We also had a Kinder program which brought 10,000 German/Polish Jewish children to the UK during the war.

88.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:24 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Actually they are wrong.  The UK was the ONLY country in Europe to accept the desparate Jews during World War II.  We also had a Kinder program which brought 10,000 German/Polish Jewish children to the UK during the war.

 

Agreed,

well but at some stage in medieval times we accepted jews (I think from spanish part of the europe)..

89.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:26 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

The UK was the ONLY country in Europe to accept the desparate Jews during World War II.

and Turkey was one of the few countries OUTSIDE of Europe that accepted Jews in the ww2.

 

so how come they are wrong?

90.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:27 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

and Turkey was one of the few countries OUTSIDE of Europe that accepted Jews in the ww2.

 

But in 1950s, kicked out all the Greeks..

No?

 

91.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:28 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

But in 1950s, kicked out all the Greeks..

No?

 

yes.

92.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:30 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

the gdp per capita of England is $35,000, whereas Turkey`s gdp per capita is just $12,000. That means England is almost 3 times richer than Turkey. Thus it has more and better job opportunities for imigrants.

 

If that`s not the case, why do you get immigration. do people come england because they love the nature and climate there?

 

 Sorry Tami, but industry is shedding jobs, retail is shedding jobs!  Woolworths is closing losing 30,000 jobs, MFI had closed, Focus stores have closed, banking, or much of it had been nationalised and many jobs have been lost and I don´t how many jobs have been lost.  In the New Year, it is expected that 10 major high street retailers will go bust.  House prices have fallen something like 25% in a year.  Construction is in decline. No one can get a mortgage. England is not the bed of roses it was just a year ago.

 

Do you know what is keeping the UK going?  Government spending, government contracts.  Not a lot else I am afraid.  Recession is hitting hard and deep and people still want to come here.  For pity´s who the hell knows why.

 

GDP is always out of date.  But we have freedom, well sort of {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

I forgot to mention, the car industry is also on the verge of colapse and they are talking about bailing it out.

 

Now does England /UK sound quite so appealing?

93.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:40 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

the gdp per capita of England is $35,000, whereas Turkey`s gdp per capita is just $12,000. That means England is almost 3 times richer than Turkey. Thus it has more and better job opportunities for imigrants.

 

If that`s not the case, why do you get immigration. do people come england because they love the nature and climate there?

 

Is the cost of living calculated in this? I hear UK being referred to as "Rip-off Britain", my guess is due to the high cost of living.  How does it compare to Turkey? I don´t know what the actual numbers would be for either country, but my guess is it´s not as high in Turkey. So what if you make $35k a year if you have to spend $1,200+ a month for mortgage?

 

Opps, you´re talking GDP ... never mind.

94.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:46 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Is the cost of living calculated in this? I hear UK being referred to as "Rip-off Britain", my guess is due to the high cost of living.  How does it compare to Turkey? I don´t know what the actual numbers would be for either country, but my guess is it´s not as high in Turkey. So what if you make $35k a year if you have to spend $1,200+ a month for mortgage?

 

Opps, you´re talking GDP ... never mind.

 

Maybe GDP but that means didly squat when you are out of a job and USA will know what that is like too!  Unemployment is rising like the tide from a Tsunami in both countries. 

95.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:48 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

yes.

 

Good..

The rule of the thumb is that you have to know your own history before trying to critisize the others..

Otherwise, you will embarres yourself and your own country..

96.       Melek74
1506 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:49 pm

 

Quoting libralady

Maybe GDP but that means didly squat when you are out of a job and USA will know what that is like too!  Unemployment is rising like the tide from a Tsunami in both countries. 

 

 Ain´t that the truth.

97.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:49 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Good..

The rule of the thumb is that you have to know your own history before trying to critisize the others..

Otherwise, you will embarres yourself and your own country..

 

 handsom...what do you expect people to talk about then?  {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}{#lang_emotions_shy}

98.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:52 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Is the cost of living calculated in this? I hear UK being referred to as "Rip-off Britain", my guess is due to the high cost of living. How does it compare to Turkey? I don´t know what the actual numbers would be for either country, but my guess is it´s not as high in Turkey. So what if you make $35k a year if you have to spend $1,200+ a month for mortgage?

 

Opps, you´re talking GDP ... never mind.

 

I know there are illegal Mexican immigrants in America who work for $800 a month in very bad conditions.

 

the cost of living in Turkey might not be as high as that in England, but the rate of average income over average living costs is still way higher in England.

99.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:03 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I know there are illegal Mexican immigrants in America who works for $800 a month in very bad conditions.

 

the cost of living in Turkey might not be as high as that in England, but the rate of average income over average living costs is still way higher in England.

 

 Tami, why are you always trying to compare England with Turkey?  Turkey is beautiful a wonderful place.  But England is where I was born.  The cost of living here is much more than that of Turkey.  Maybe we get paid more, but it is relative.  I dispute that your cost of living is higher than ours, but I do not have proof.  When we come to Turkey every thing is so much cheaper, jeans for instance, you can buy in Turkey for about £20 (but I bet a Turk would pay less) in the UK the same jeans are about £60 or £70  maybe as much as £120.00.  You can get a meal for about £7.00 - you can hardly get a McDonalds shitty burger for that here.

 

It is not a competition you know, we all have our good points and our bad points, and it is accepting those good and bad points that count.

100.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:06 pm

what are you talking about???? I´dont get you! someone´s explain me to turkish!

biri bana neden bahsedildiðini söyleyebilir mi?

101.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:09 pm

 

Quoting Calikusu

what are you talking about???? I´dont get you! someone´s explain me to turkish!

biri bana neden bahsedildiðini söyleyebilir mi?

 

Calikusu..pek fazla bir seyden bahsedildigi falan yok..

Pek onemli degil vallahi. lol

102.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:12 pm

tam olarak neden bahsediliyor?

103.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:12 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 Tami, why are you always trying to compare England with Turkey?  Turkey is beautiful a wonderful place.  But England is where I was born.  The cost of living here is much more than that of Turkey.  Maybe we get paid more, but it is relative.  I dispute that your cost of living is higher than ours, but I do not have proof.  When we come to Turkey every thing is so much cheaper, jeans for instance, you can buy in Turkey for about £20 (but I bet a Turk would pay less) in the UK the same jeans are about £60 or £70  maybe as much as £120.00.  You can get a meal for about £7.00 - you can hardly get a McDonalds shitty burger for that here.

 

It is not a competition you know, we all have our good points and our bad points, and it is accepting those good and bad points that count.

 

Completely agree! 

 

104.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:14 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Calikusu..pek fazla bir seyden bahsedildigi falan yok..

Pek onemli degil vallahi. lol

 

 God you are so sexy when you talk Turkish {#lang_emotions_rolleyes}  Oh sorry must be the wine!!  Yeh, did you tell him / her that it is all getting a bit out of hand but that is quite normal for the deliquints that use this site {#lang_emotions_lol}

105.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:19 pm

 

Quoting libralady

Tami, why are you always trying to compare England with Turkey? Turkey is beautiful a wonderful place. But England is where I was born. The cost of living here is much more than that of Turkey. Maybe we get paid more, but it is relative. I dispute that your cost of living is higher than ours, but I do not have proof. When we come to Turkey every thing is so much cheaper, jeans for instance, you can buy in Turkey for about £20 (but I bet a Turk would pay less) in the UK the same jeans are about £60 or £70 maybe as much as £120.00. You can get a meal for about £7.00 - you can hardly get a McDonalds shitty burger for that here.

 

It is not a competition you know, we all have our good points and our bad points, and it is accepting those good and bad points that count.

 

It wasn`t meant to compare England and Turkey. what I`m saying is people immigrate to England and other countries just because these countries are wealthier hence they have more and better job opportunities.

 

as for the living costs, i think that depends very much on how you want to live. a pair of lewis jeans costs more in Turkey than it does in America although the ones that are sold in Turkey are all produced in Turkey. if you don`t want to pay that amount for jeans you can buy a "brandless" one from a street market too for a very low price, but you can do that in America too. I`m sure that they sell jeans for very low prices at walmarts. That`s the same for all other consumer products you can think of.

 

you`re saying that you ve got a meal for 7 sterlings in Turkey, but you can do that in America too depending on where you want to eat. There are restaurants in Istanbul which sell just a plate of entries for 100 liras.

 

I think the only thing that costs significantly less in Turkey is real estates.

 

106.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:22 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 

I think the only thing that costs significantly less in Turkey is real estates.

 

 And phone bills... and cigarettes!!!! (They are £6 a pack in UK)

And many other things tam

107.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:23 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

It wasn`t meant to compare England and Turkey. what I`m saying is people immigrate to England and other countries just because these countries are wealthier hence they have more and better job opportunities.

 

 

 

Tami

First time EVER you were right here..I mean you were right the way you were comparing 2 countries and now you were backing off..

lol

108.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:25 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

And phone bills... and cigarettes!!!! (They are £6 a pack in UK)

 

 

a good reason to quit smoking and talk less.{#lang_emotions_lol}

109.       Calikusu
158 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:28 pm

Quote:libralady

God you are so sexy when you talk Turkish {#lang_emotions_rolleyes}  Oh sorry must be the wine!!  Yeh, did you tell him / her that it is all getting a bit out of hand but that is quite normal for the deliquints that use this site {#lang_emotions_lol}

 

 

what she talking about? tam olarak neden bahsediliyor?

110.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:30 pm

 

Quoting Calikusu

 

 

 

what she talking about? tam olarak neden bahsediliyor?

 

valla ne diyebilirim bende bilemiyorum acikcasi...

111.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:31 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

It wasn`t meant to compare England and Turkey. what I`m saying is people immigrate to England and other countries just because these countries are wealthier hence they have more and better job opportunities.

 

as for the living costs, i think that depends very much on how you want to live. a pair of lewis jeans costs more in Turkey than it does in America although the ones that are sold in Turkey are all produced in Turkey. if you don`t want to pay that amount for jeans you can buy a "brandless" one from a street market too for a very low price, but you can do that in America too. I`m sure that they sell jeans for very low prices at walmarts. That`s the same for all other consumer products you can think of.

 

you`re saying that you ve got a meal for 7 sterlings in Turkey, but you can do that in America too depending on where you want to eat. There are restaurants in Istanbul which sell just a plate of entries for 100 liras.

 

I think the only thing that costs significantly less in Turkey is real estates.

 

 Read my lips!!! The job opportunities are zero in the UK!  More and more people are being made redundant............... we have endless regulations. You cannot smoke in an enclosed space /place - surely that would be enough to put most Turks off {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

This seems like my own little campaign with 100 reasons why not to come to England. Perhaps Yilgin could take this up with a list {#lang_emotions_lol}

 

Can we call it quits now? please ??? I do like you, you know {#lang_emotions_flowers}   Please I have a cold {#lang_emotions_confused}  and it is nearly Christmas and I have to cook dinner for my in-laws (hopefully you are feeling a little bit sorry for me now {#lang_emotions_unsure}

112.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:52 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

valla ne diyebilirim bende bilemiyorum acikcasi...

 

 You little tinker! {#lang_emotions_unsure}

113.       Uzun_Hava
449 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 01:19 am

 

Quoting Calikusu

I wonder that is turkey know in USA? or Americans are mainly know Turkey? or Is turkey know in the World? (note: my english is not good {#lang_emotions_confused}  )

 

Genelikle, Amerikan insanlar iþi  yoksa askerlik hizmeti için Türkiye´ye gittikce sonradan Türkiye´yi hakkinda iyi þeylar diyorlar.   Baþka Americanlar belki Türkiye´yi hakkinda  bilmiyorlar.  Bu benim görüþüm.

114.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:03 am

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

Can we call it quits now? please ??? I do like you, you know {#lang_emotions_flowers}   Please I have a cold {#lang_emotions_confused}  and it is nearly Christmas and I have to cook dinner for my in-laws (hopefully you are feeling a little bit sorry for me now {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

 Ã feel sorry for you LL

Geçmiþ Olsun {#lang_emotions_flowers}

 

But ,what you said above doesnt explain the immigration rate to UK

Ýf things are that bad there,why people want to live there ´None Brits of course´ ?

115.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:05 am

 

Quoting CANLI

why people want to live there ´None Brits of course´ ?

 

Five words....

 

JOB SEEKER ALLOWANCE

HOUSING BENEFIT

116.       alameda
3499 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:05 am

 

Quoting Calikusu

I wonder that is turkey know in USA? or Americans are mainly know Turkey? or Is turkey know in the World? (note: my english is not good {#lang_emotions_confused}  )

 

 People have really gotten off track in answering your question. Yes Turkey is known in the USA. I don´t think it is very well known.

 

If anyone has a relative who served in the Korean War, they have certainly heard of the bravery of the Turkish soldiers.

117.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:06 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Five words....

 

JOB SEEKER ALLOWANCE

HOUSING BENEFIT

 

 five words but two things.

how could that be so attractive?

118.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:08 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 Ã feel sorry for you LL

Geçmiþ Olsun {#lang_emotions_flowers}

 

But ,what you said above doesnt explain the immigration rate to UK

Ýf things are that bad there,why people want to live there ´None Brits of course´ ?

 

 But they are all going home!!! don´t take notice of the papers, they are turning back, the migration rate between 2007and 2008 have dropped by 36% and net migration is about 250,000 - which take account of those going out and those coming to the UK.  If only I was at work I have all the figures {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Romanians and Bulgarians will not have any greater access to the uk as the restrictions to the migration rules will not be lifted.  In fact I could write whole paper on it!!

119.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:10 am

 

Quoting libralady

 But they are all going home!!! don´t take notice of the papers, they are turning back, the migration rate between 2007and 2008 have dropped by 36% and net migration is about 250,000 - which take account of those going out and those coming to the UK.  If only I was at work I have all the figures {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Romanians and Bulgarians will not have any greater access to the uk as the restrictions to the migration rules will not be lifted.  In fact I could write whole paper on it!!

 

 But surely also, I have heard that the rate of migration includes a larger percentage of native English?

120.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:14 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 But surely also, I have heard that the rate of migration includes a larger percentage of native English?

 

 It does but our wonderful government had not got that sophisticated until recently realising emigration was a factor!! That is where the net figure of 250,00 comes from.  When I get time I will write something on it if you like {#lang_emotions_unsure}

121.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:14 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 But surely also, I have heard that the rate of migration includes a larger percentage of native English?

 

 

122.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:18 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 

 

 It means English people are coming home.

123.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:19 am

 

Quoting libralady

 It means English people are coming home.

 

 But I heard recently that MORE English people were leaving

(LIR and Marion are to blame for this )

124.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:22 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 But I heard recently that MORE English people were leaving

 

 

 i heard most of them are heading to australia

125.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:24 am

 

Quoting libralady

 It means English people are coming home.

 

 no, i thought english were migrating east, east to down old continent.

126.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:25 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 But I heard recently that MORE English people were leaving

(LIR and Marion are to blame for this )

 

 Migration means either moving in or out or within the UK on a temporary basis - emigration mean leaving for good, and immigration means coming here for good.

 

The figures show that both inward and outward movement of UK citizens, so it all gets a bit confusing.

 

Yes more English people are leaving but those would be emigration figures and not migration figures

 

You know our govenrment and their massaging of figures

127.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:26 am

 

Quoting libralady

 Migration means either moving in or out or within the UK on a temporary basis - emigration mean leaving for good, and immigration means coming here for good.

 

The figures show that both inward and outward movement of UK citizens, so it all gets a bit confusing.

 

Yes more English people are leaving but those would be emigration figures and not migration figures

 

You know our govenrment and their massaging of figures

 

 Ouh ok

I feel salak now

128.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:26 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Five words....

 

JOB SEEKER ALLOWANCE

HOUSING BENEFIT

 

I think those are overrated by the media..

I would say people come to EU for mainly economical reasons. I guess the second reason will be  escaping persecution in their own country.

Fair is fair. EU countries treat immigrants relatively well..

There are people out there living their lives in fear in their own countries and when they come into EU everything gets changed about their life..  

 

129.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:28 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think those are overrated by the media..

I would say people come to EU for mainly economical reasons. I guess the second reason will be  escaping persecution in their own country.

Fair is fair. EU countries treat immigrants relatively well..

There are people out there living their lives in fear in their own countries and when they come into EU everything gets changed about their life..  

 

 I do agree with you - especially about asylum seekers.  I don´t think anyone has a "right" to block people going wherever they want actually - it is luck where you are born (good or bad).

 

I just wish there was a solution to the overcrowding and draining of resources

130.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:28 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

when they come into EU everything gets changed about their life..  

 

 and they forget the reality and start demanding more than they could get.

131.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:30 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Five words....

 

JOB SEEKER ALLOWANCE

HOUSING BENEFIT

 

 But that´s hardly provide a living when the cost of living is that high !

So why would that attract any ?

Unless it is way too better than the things are in the other countries.

Maybe yes your debts are high but still its much worse in other countries.

You can provide job seeker allowance and housing benefits,where other countries try to provide their people´s livings needs.

So they can hardly do anything for the immigrations there.

 

So,yes,things now not that good at UK as it was maybe,but still way too better than others..thats why its attractive to them.

132.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:31 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 and they forget the reality and start demanding more than they could get.

 

 

Sorry but once they are accepted and paying their taxes, they have every single right to demand anything like anybody else..

133.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:33 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I do agree with you - especially about asylum seekers.  I don´t think anyone has a "right" to block people going wherever they want actually - it is luck where you are born (good or bad).

 

I just wish there was a solution to the overcrowding and draining of resources

 

 Well you can blame our clever government for not putting restrictions on the A8 like other Eu countries did.  It all went a bit pear shapped in 2004 when the Poles came over in droves.  At one point we had over 2m but about 1m have gone home.

 

That is why they put restrictions on the A2 Bulgaria and Romania and are not lifting them.  Doh, 4 m in Romania, 44,000 here and some leaving who else is going to come here when Romania is actually doing better that the UK?  There is the 2012 Euro cup infrastructure to be built in Poland and Ukraine, so where are the workers going now?  Not forgetting Dubai!

134.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:33 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Sorry but once they are accepted and paying their taxes, they have every single right to demand anything like anybody else..

 

 I would be interested to know the percentage who pay their taxes....

135.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:34 am

 

Quoting libralady

 It all went a bit pear shapped in 2004 when the Poles came over in droves.  At one point we had over 2m but about 1m have gone home.

 

 We have the same problem in TC

136.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:35 am

 

Quoting libralady

 But they are all going home!!!

 

 Ã didnt get it.

You mean immigrations are going back to their countries on their free well because of the economical problems at UK,or what ?!

137.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:35 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 and they forget the reality and start demanding more than they could get.

 

 You need to know what you are talking about and get your facts right before you start pointing fingers and Migrationwatch is not the place to get it, or the Daily Mail or the Daily Star etc etc and dont forget you are labelled with the tag to!

138.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:36 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I would be interested to know the percentage who pay their taxes....

 

 we should check hairy

139.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:39 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I would be interested to know the percentage who pay their taxes....

you do not read my posts Aenigma..do you?

 

Almost all homeoffice figures show that immigrants are valuable to UK economy..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u.....and-pay-more-tax-than-britons-397055.html

 

Migrant workers contributed £6 billion to the country´s economic growth last year and earned higher wages than their British counterparts, Home Office figures revealed yesterday.

The study concluded that new arrivals were harder-working, brought sought-after skills and paid more in tax than they used in public services

..

It reported that migrants earned on average £424 per week last year, compared with £395 for UK-born workers, and as a result paid more per head in tax and VAT than Britons. It also suggested that the work ethic of the new arrivals was also having a positive impact on British workers, helping to increase their pay levels.

..

I will post if I see any values about percentages..

 

 

 

 

 

140.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:39 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Sorry but once they are accepted and paying their taxes, they have every single right to demand anything like anybody else..

 i have no problem with that, i mean those who never thought of contributing but only taking. also theres a thing called a common sense. the sense that gives you some wisdom of how you have to behave at the friendly and hospitable house.

 

141.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:41 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 Ã didnt get it.

You mean immigrations are going back to their countries on their free well because of the economical problems at UK,or what ?!

 

 Yep it is not the bed of roses it one was.  Everyone is losing their jobs so best option for many is to go home.

142.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:41 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

you do not read my posts Aenigma..do you?

 

 

 NO

 

Quoting thehandsom

I will post if I see any values about percentages..

 

 Well I guess those figures only include legal immigrants

143.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:46 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 i have no problem with that, i mean those who never thought of contributing but only taking. also theres a thing called a common sense. the sense that gives you some wisdom of how you have to behave at the friendly and hospitable house.

 

 So who takes but does not give back?  Tell us!  I have access to the figures at work, it is part of my job and there is no evidence that suggests otherwise, only scare stories in the trash, gutter press.  And is there any evidence that migrants are other than friendly?  I have see no evidence against it, only the home grown terrorists.  Poles, Lithuanians etc etc are a friendly bunch in general like their vodka etc fight amongst themselves, but otherwise a hard working and reliable bunch of people.

 

So not sure what your argument is when you are a migrant yourself!

144.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:46 am

 

Quoting libralady

 You need to know what you are talking about and get your facts right before you start pointing fingers and Migrationwatch is not the place to get it, or the Daily Mail or the Daily Star etc etc and dont forget you are labelled with the tag to!

 

 goodnight libra, you talk too much tonight! go sleep before i send you to somalia in a jiffy sack.

145.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:48 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Well I guess those figures only include legal immigrants

 

 Yes you are right there, they are what is know as the black economy, no pun intended there.  And they usually are exploited, live in dreadful accomodation, been brought here under false pretences, etc and dont earn a living wage and they cant claim anything as they technically dont exist.

 

Blimey this is like being at work answering all these questions, and I was going to bed.

146.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:51 am

 

Quoting libralady

 

Blimey this is like being at work answering all these questions, and I was going to bed.

 

 Well actually I found it really interesting!!!  It is not a subject that is easy to know because, as you say, all the massaging of figures

 

Offfffffff I am going to sleep now though

147.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 02:52 am

 

Quoting libralady

 

So not sure what your argument is when you are a migrant yourself!

 

 do you have a problem with that? or are you trying to use the same foolish tactics as vineyards when lacking simple arguments?

i even dont wanna waste my time on your crap with daily star when i dont read the paper.

148.       TheresaJana
163 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 04:46 am

born and raised catholic in the usa and raising two teen sons, i can say that unless an american actually has met or had any interest in a person or job from turkey, they will have very little knowledge of turkey. 

 

in school u.s history and world history courses were brief.  while world history was mildly interesting, us history was by and large quite boring.  whether it was text books or the teacher, it was all about memorizing names and dates that were prominent to usa and the focus was always on washington or lincoln. 

 

very little is taught about world history and the only considerable country that is focused on is amazingly enough ´egypt´ and ´king tut´ and not much more, maybe the ´inca´s in mexico. 

 

my kids briefly were taught amazingly enough, about Mohammed but not about Jesus.  this exercise made me curious.  he was made more a political figure than a prophet according to the studies. 

 

starting in kindergarten the kids were polled to ´pick a president´ only by their photographs.   

shocking?  testing of the tender minds is done at an early age you know.  how is it in turkey or any other country?

 

we find however, that both u.s history and world history are more interesting and educational by way of cable.  again, you as an individual must want to learn more about something if you have some ´draw´ to it and then be the type of person that cares more about the place or country than just where it´s at or what´s it called.

 

when i was in the military years ago, i was told that the base in turkey is ´remote´.  my 20 year old brain told me that remote means in the middle of the desert.  that is how i then imaged turkey.  sad huh?   if someone had told me the base is located in one of the most beautiful countries so cok full of history it would make your soul rise....then, i wouldve jumped at the opportunity to be stationed there.  

 

the usa is a huge place.  there are many distractions.  world history is left to the politicians and corporate giants not limited to the usa. 

 

after a scant research of turkey, people language and culture and history...i feel like it is a pearl i want to keep sacred from the rest of americans.   if all americans knew how amazing turkey is and how beautiful and steeped in history....you would be bombarded and assaulted by western culture.

i will keep your secret safe.   

 

years ago, someone once made a scary film about a prison in turkey or something like that.  actually i never saw it, but thank god for that i say if it scares americans away because i think your country is too precious to be invaded by us bed americans.    I think someone who made that film was actually ´protecting´ your beautiful country.  God Bless

149.       teaschip
3870 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 04:56 am

 

Quote:

years ago, someone once made a scary film about a prison in turkey or something like that.  actually i never saw it, but thank god for that i say if it scares americans away because i think your country is too precious to be invaded by us bed americans.    I think someone who made that film was actually ´protecting´ your beautiful country.  God Bless

 

How nice of you...actually Turkey survives on tourism so I  hope one day us bed Americans can discover this wonderful country.

150.       TheresaJana
163 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 05:05 am

actually, there is so much religious archaeological discovery and research being done as almost every time i encounter such a show on cable my ears prick at the discovery being in turkey or linked to turkey.  so, you will no doubt get your wish.  but, be careful what you wish for as they say. {#lang_emotions_razz}

151.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 08:32 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 

How nice of you...actually Turkey survives on tourism so I  hope one day us bed Americans can discover this wonderful country.

 

its nearly 5% of GNP {#lang_emotions_wink}... 

152.       lady in red
6947 posts
 27 Dec 2008 Sat 11:59 am

 

Quoting DaveT

Most Americans know virtually nothing about other countries or even regions of the U.S. other than their own. Therefore, most Americans know nothing about Turkey.

 

.

 

I was deleting some old emails and found this link an American teacher friend of mine sent me last year - she uses it as a teaching resource.  One for the bed amerikans or anyone else who is bored after Christmas!

 

Find the State!

153.       DaveT
70 posts
 27 Dec 2008 Sat 08:52 pm

Quote

I was deleting some old emails and found this link an American teacher friend of mine sent me last year - she uses it as a teaching resource.  One for the bed amerikans or anyone else who is bored after Christmas!

 

Find the State!

 

 

I tried the quiz and, for what it´s worth, got 47 perfect of 50, for a score of 94% with an average error of 6 miles and total time of 585 seconds.

 

It´s a cute little game.

154.       lady in red
6947 posts
 27 Dec 2008 Sat 09:08 pm

 Oooh! Who´s a smartypants!  {#lang_emotions_flowers}  you set a high standard Dave!

 

Quoting DaveT

 

 

I tried the quiz and, for what it´s worth, got 47 perfect of 50, for a score of 94% with an average error of 6 miles and total time of 585 seconds.

 

It´s a cute little game.

 

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