Thanks Man

So mecbur is more about being compelled or forced to do something. Still how would it play with "sana mecburum" - I´m compelled to you?

Mecbur & Þart are both loan words from Arabic.

Þart is related to the word shariah with which some English speakers are familiar. The Shariah Law in Islamic countries is related to the word Sart, which becomes Þeriyat in Turkish.

Þart can take various degrees of necessity depending on the context, or may have nothing whatsoever with necessity. Here are some examples:

In a business context, where two parties are negotiating...

Þartlar nedir? / What are the terms (of the agreement)?

Þartlariniz nedir? / What are your conditions/terms.

Anlasmanin þartlari nedir? / What are the terms & conditions in the contract?

Bu þartlar altinda teklifinizi kabul etmiyorum. / Under these circumstances/conditions, I am rejecting your offer.

Þartlar pek uygun degil. / The terms are not really favourable.

In none of the above given examples is it possible to use mecbur instead of þart.

Reprimanding a friend for being rude...

Boyle kirici konusman þart mi? Insanlarin duygularina biraz saygi goster. / Do you really have to speak this harsh? Try to show some consideration for others´ feelings.

The inconsiderate asshole responds...

Þart arkadas. Ben icimden geleni soylerim. / Yes. I speak my mind regardless.

Boyle kirici konusmaya mecburmusun? Insanlarin duygularina biraz saygi goster. / Do you really have to speak this harsh? Try to show some consideration for others´ feelings.

Mecburum arkadas. Ben icimden geleni soylerim. / Yes. I speak my mind regardless.

Some other examples:

From mecbur, the word mecburiyet is derived, which is actually mecbur-i-et. Mecbur-i is a Farsi form with the -i denoting "of" as in the sense of "being of necessity/obligation." The addition of et(mek) is just one of the way Turkish naturalizes foreign loan words. hence, mecburiyet means something along the lines of being obligated or being necessary. There is no word as þartiyet.

Mecburiyetten yaptim. / I did it out of necessity. I had to. I had no choice. 

You cannot say þarttan yaptim, for example.

Mecburieytten hala evliler. Cocuklar var diye. Yoksa kiz onu sevmiyor. / They are still married (haven´t been divorced) out of necessity. Because of the kids. Otherwise, she doesn´t really love him.

You cannot say þarttan evliler, for example.

Iskence sirasinda gercegi soylemeye mecbur oldum. / I was forced to tell the truth under torture.

Iskence sirasinda beni gercegi soylemeye mecbur ettiler. / They forced me to tell the truth under torture.

You cannot say þart oldum or þart ettiler.

Boyfriend tries to lure his girl to stay over...

Eve gitmen þart mi? Kalsana. / Do you really have to go home? Why don´t you stay?

Eve gitmeye mecbur musun? Kalsana. / Same meaning.

She would not say þart, but would use either mecburum or eve gitmem lazim/gerek.

Bu aksam eve donmem þart. Babam valla kemiklerimi kirar. / I really have to be home tonight. My father would literally break my bones (if I don´t).

She wouldn´t say bu aksam eve donmem mecbur.

Bu aksam eve donmeye mecburum. Babam kemiklerimi kirar valla. / Same meaning.

ESL class...

Bu cumle icin gecmis zamani kullanmaya mecbur muyum? / Do I have to use the past tense in this sentece?

Bu cumle icin gecmis zamani kullanmak (kullanmam) Ã¾art mi? / Same meaning.

Vulgar slang...

Þart olsun bir yakaliyayim kemiklerini kiricam o itin. / I swear I am gonna break his bones when I get a hold of him.

You wouldn´t use mecbur olsun in this context.

I hope this helps a bit.

http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=mecbur&ssQBy=0    Check out the Turkish-Turkish tranlations.   There are a lot of ´-miþ´ used to describe it (heh heh).    But yeah, it seems like it means "compelled to you" and maybe not in a nice way.  

e.g.

"Zorlu bir iþe giriþmiþ"

There is no such a thing as Sana mecburum. It is ungrammatical and does not really exist other then in pop and arabesk songs.

You could say:

 Bunu yapmaya mecburum. / I have to do this

Bunu yapmaya mecbur musun? / Do you have to do this

But, never Sana mecburum.... get rid of that phrase. It scratches the ears

Good information. Thanks.

and also in a famous poem called Ben Sana Mecburum by Atilla Ýlhan=)

just wanted to point out=P

Ben sana mecburum bilemezsin
Adýný mýh gibi aklýmda tutuyorum

you are a must for me, you never know
I keep your name in my mind as a nail

Ýþte görüyorsunuz, Attila Ýlhan´Ã½n bu þiiri Türkçeden Ýngilizceye tam çevrilemiyor.

Thank you all for the explanations and examples. You guys rock!

 It seems to ME, tha ´Mecbur´ - [as with meþgul] - is one of those rare foreign word which can have a personal suffix directly added to it.  So Mecburu-um [I am helpless, I am compelled] seems a viable proposition.  But ´Sana mecbur-um´ makes no sense!!

But such foregin words [þart, lazim, mecbur] can not conjugated [or is it declined] as regular Turkish verbs like ´Gerekmek´... they will need a suitable auxiliary verb!!

I suppose one could say ´sana mecbur olamk isteyorum´   [olamk isteyorum being verbs]

Mecbur signifies ´not an obligation´ but a state of ´being helpless´ [one can evade an ´obligation´ immoral though it may be, but one cannot avoid ´being helpless´] ... so even in English one cannot meaningfully say, ´I being [mecbur-um]compelled to you [sana]´

´Sana, mecbur-um, anlatiyorum´ - may make sense [I am explaining to you (that) I am helpless]

Exactly like one could NOT say, ´sana meþgulum´  - there is no verb in this sentence, Angel.  Without a verb one cannot have a sentence.  ´Mecburum and meþgulum´ are [I presume] adjectives, not even adverbs. 

´Mecburum olurken/durumda ben tufekle ateþ ettim´ 

´Mecburum, heyvana öldurdum´

´Mecbur idim, odemeden dukkandan çiktim´

[Excuse my Turkish]

It is very helpful to struggle with these words as it establishes ones own comprehension.  But please note that I am only speculating ... as far as Turkish is concerned!!!!!!!!!!! lol 

PS even in Urdu/Farsi ´Majboor´ cannot be used without a verb because it is not a verb by itself.  If one needs to imply, ´I wish to compel you´  ... in Urdu/Farsi we will have to say in (Farsi) ... ´Ãžoma [you], majboor hwaham [I am going to]kard [make]´   ´Majboor´ being only a NOUN - like happy, sad.  In Urdu we will say, ´Meiyn {I} Apko {you} majboor {compel} karoonga {will do}.

Don´t hesitate to send me a priv mesaj till we clear it up.

Tazx1

Thank you Taz

I asked the question because I saw that on google, there are some links with "sana mecburum", for example:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059253/ - apparently it´s a title of a movie. I just couldn´t make sense of it based on the dictionary definition of the word.

I really appreciate yours and everyone else´s explanation, I think I´m gonna steer clear of saying sana mecburum any time in the near future lol.

Happy Valentine´s Day!

If you understood - I am very happy but equally surprised ´cos I made several ´dyslecsic´ typing errors.

But needs that I thank you.  It has cleared up many anciliary tpoics in my own mind.  Yaþa, yaþa lol.

Tazx1