Please can someone translate this to establish the meaning of ´anlýyan-a´  &  ´anlat-ir´

>>´Ãžu hereket anlýyana çok þey anlatir´

Whereas I seem to get the gist ... but something seems wrong.  Altough it may be colloquially in order.

Thanks.

tazx1

 "anlatýr" is coming from ""anlatmak"  and meaning is "to tell"

"anlayan"  meaning is "people who  understood"

that motion tells much thing to people who understood

Awww, great, I was thinking "þu hareket anlýyan" is one phrase and couldn´t make sense of it. But it´s really "Þu hareket, anlýyan ...". The different punctuation can be confusing sometimes .

Anyway, I have a question. You wrote anlayan and Taz wrote anlýyan. I´ve read that when you add the participle -(y)an/-(y)en you would narrow the preceeding vowel from "a" to "ý". So my question is, is it also correct to keep the vowel "kalýn", meaning to say anlayan instead of anlýyan. And also, what is the correct pronounciation, with "a" or "ý"?

Thanks.

anlayan was correct type

 Yes, I am dyslexic but this time I made ´doubley´ sure to confirm taht the wretched ´Colloquial TURKISH´  does say >> ANLÝYAN-A´ and this is what caused me trouble.  Neyse the translation: -

"that motion tells much thing to people who understood"  makes no sense to me at all.

Is ´anlatir´ not a CAUSATIVE verb -  ie. anlatmak - to explain, > anlamak - to understand!!!!

So> ´anlatýr = They explain !! Not = They understand !!

Where does ´to understand´ or ´UNDERSTOOD´ come from?????  Unless it is just a ´pure colloquialism´ - if it is I´ll buy it.

Akilim çok bozuktýr.

Thanks

 to tell = söylemek, anlatmak, ifade etmek

to explain = açýklama yapmak, izah etmek    as you see for this sentence we can not say "to explain" for "anlatýr"

and you must to read again for "understood" you will see it on above.

Let me try from a learner´s perspective (hopefully somebody will improve on it if I´m not explaining correctly)

anlýyan or anlayan is a present participle form from anlamak - to understand

to form the present participle of a verb you add - (y)an or -(y)en to the verb (stem only or extended)

what the present participle does, is it changes the verb from a verb to an adjective or a noun

so anlamak (to understand) changes to anlayan/anlýyan which means "understanding"

you would use the present participle to describe other nouns, for example anlayan insanlar - understanding people (people who understand)

you can also use it as a noun, without the noun it describes, for example, anlayan or anlayanlar - those who understand

anlatýr is the verb anlatmak (to explain, to tell) in the aorist form

So I would break your sentence like this:

Þu hareket - this action (I think it´s better translation that movement, motion)

Þu hareket çok þey anlatýr - this action explains a lot/this action says a lot

To whom?

anlýyana - anla-y-an-a (dative case) - tho those who understand, to the understanding ones

So the whole sentence is:

Þu hareket, anlýyana çok þey anlatýr.

This action explains a lot to those who understand./This action says a lot to those who understand.

I think hareket can also be translated as behavior, at least according to the dictionary, so it´d depend on the context as what you want to use.

I hope that helps. 

I think that is a perfect explanation

This is a bit off topic, but it may help you understand the verbs anlamak & anlatmak better.

The root word in both of these is the word An, which conveys the general sense of being in the present, the moment itself, being present & and observing, taking it into memory.

An+ý (Ani), therefore, means "memory", in the sense of having a memory of something that you were present to observe.

Here are some examples:

Þu anda evdeyim. / I am at home at the moment.

Bu ana kadar gercekleri goremedim. / I could not see the truth of the things till now.

O ani unutamiyorum. / I cannot forget that moment.

Onu oldurdukleri ani unutamiyorum. / I cannot forget the moment that they killed him.

Eski sevgilimi gordugum anda (gorunce) aglamaya basladim. / When I saw my ex, I started to cry.

Son anda olumden donduk. / We cam so close, we nearly died. We came face to face with death. A close-encounter with death.

Macin bitmesine su anda tam iki dakika var. / It is exactly two minutes at this moment to the final call (of the ref).

Bir anda karsima cikti. / He appeared out of the blue. Suddenly he appeared.

En uzucu anim o trafik kazasidir. / The saddest memory of my life is that traffic accident.

Anilarimda yazdigim hersey gercek. / Everything that I wrote in my memoir is true. There are no lies.

Yasadigimiz (gecirdigimiz) o guzel anilari unutmam mumkun degil. / I cannot forget those special moments we shared.

As a derivative of the word AN, we also have ANIMSAMAK, which means "to remember, recall."

Animsamiorum. / I don´t remember or recall.

Seni daha evvel gordugumu animsamiyorum. / I don´t recall seeing you before.

Gayet iyi animsiyorum Cemal ordaydi. / I clearly remember Cemal being there.

As a derivative of AN again, we have the compound forms ANLAMAK and ANLATMAK.

AN+OL+A+MAK, Memory+To Be+Infintive ending, becomes ANLAMAK, which means "to understand".

AN+OL+ET+MEK, Memory+To Be+To Do+Infinitive ending, becomes ANLATMAK, which means "to tell, to recount, to explain, to make something understood".

It is kind of difficult to see how the concept of AN was assigned these positions, but then, it is kind of hard to see how the word UNDERSTAND evolved in English as well. What are you standing under, for example? Or, why are you standing at all?

Bana derdini anlat. / Tell me what your problem is.

Bana tum gercekleri anlatti. / He told me everyhting (all the truth) about the matter.

Bana bir masal anlat. / Tell me a fable (story).

Ben bu iþten hicbir bok anlamadim. / I have no fucking idea about what happened.

Simdi anladin mi neden oyle dedim? / Do you now understand why I said that?

Tam anlatamadim. / I couldn´t explain it properly.

Tam anlamadim. / I didn´t quite get it.

Ne dedigini tam anlamadim. / I didn´t quite get whay you (or he) said.

Filmin sonunu pek anlamadim. / I didn´t quite get the end of the movie.

Neden kizdigini anlamadim. / I don´t know why you are angry.

Anlat anlat. Duyalim gercekleri. / Go on then, keep talking, let us hear the truth.

Bana hikaye anlatma. / Cut the crap. Stop bullshitting me.

Anlamamazliktan gelme. / Don`t pretend not to know (understand) what I am talking about.

Another word that is of the same root is ANLASMAK, meaning to be of accord or to agree.

Kocamla pek anlasamiyoruz. / My husband and I aren`t getting along well.

Anlastik. Sali gunu mallari teslim ederim. / Ok, agreed. I will deliver the goodies on Tuesday.

Ingilizce bimedigi icin pek anlasamadik. / Because he didn`t speak any English, we didn`t really understand each other.

Anlasma sartlarina gore... / According to the terms & conditions of the contract/agreement...

ANIT is another word from the same root, meaning a monument.

Adamin adina Taksime anit diktiler. / They erected a monument in Taksim in his memory.

 I hope this helps.

cynicmystic and harpoon and melek74

It is so simple ... if you know how to disentangle things.

Thank you for all your time and effort.  I cannot thank you all enough.  I was feeling depressed but after putting you to all this trouble I am feeling elatedly rotten and guilt ridden.

I now have to think twice before posting silly questions.

Hayirly gunlar.

Tazx1.

PS. Diliduduk > you have stolen my sentiments by saying what I meant to comment in response to my guardian ´Angel´.  Where have YOU been hiding?