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Peace at last?
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Mar 2009 Fri 10:06 pm

Is the plan to eliminate the PKK real?

 

For as long as I can remember there is word going around of plans to eliminate the PKK. Some have its source in Europe, some in the United States or some originate from the Kurds themselves. ...

 

Relations with Barzani have been improved. Even the National Security Council, or MGK, has suggested an investment in northern Iraq and increase of trade therein. Afterward, the administration has taken important steps in TRT-6 and the Kurdish issue. The start has been given for Kurdish departments at universities. By the way, the PKK ceased its terror action all of a sudden ...

...

 

According to them, the Iraqi Autonomous Kurdish Administration will meet for a Kurdish conference. During this conference a manifesto will be prepared regarding the "disarmament of Kurds" and signed by parties in agreement. In the meantime, Turkey will take some steps as well. It will announce an act of grace and allow some PKK leaders to leave for some European countries. In exchange, PKK members will put down their weapons. 

 

... Even which PKK leader was going to leave for which country was known. But this was not been put into action. 

 

If we were to tell the truth, the new plan is more likely to be put in action compared to the old plan. But this time roles are different. Some part of the Kurds and Turkey are more comfortable with this solution. But there are still some people opposing it, of course. 

 

...

In Ankara it is clearly accepted that it is difficult to get rid of the PKK terror by using arms. ...

 

In summary, politicians and the military are more willing compared to the past. Also, the public is more willing compared to the past. 

 

PKK knows it won’t get far with weapons 

 

From Turkey’s point of view the most annoying part is "what will these steps be?" If in the Constitution it is persisted on changes in the lines of the DTP or on formulations having a trace of federation in them, we would be spending our time in vain. No political administration would or could take such a step. 

 

.....

Full atricle: (M Ali Birand)

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/...sp?yazarid=298&gid=260

 

Well I am quite optimistic this time as people beginning realize  (and also acknowledge) the mistakes we have done in the past..

Nobody is  talking about our kurdish problem as terrorism only any more.

Everybody knows that it was nothing to do with the EU, USA etc..Even the president said recently "this is our internal problem, nothing to do with foreigners"

The nationalist gangs are scared with the ergenekon case and they are virtually ineffective.

And when you think the latest developments such as new kurdish tv channel, goverment´s decision to make Newroz a public holiday etc..Though you think why we have not done thesethings  20 years ago but anyway. I am quite hopefull..


2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Mar 2009 Sat 09:40 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Well I am quite optimistic this time as people beginning realize  (and also acknowledge) the mistakes we have done in the past..

Nobody is  talking about our kurdish problem as terrorism only any more.

Everybody knows that it was nothing to do with the EU, USA etc..Even the president said recently "this is our internal problem, nothing to do with foreigners"

The nationalist gangs are scared with the ergenekon case and they are virtually ineffective.

And when you think the latest developments such as new kurdish tv channel, goverment´s decision to make Newroz a public holiday etc..Though you think why we have not done thesethings  20 years ago but anyway. I am quite hopefull..

 

 

Really, really great to hear this... Apparently people are getting tired of the ineffectiveness of military solutions to the PKK issue. That is great.. Turkish democracy seems to be maturing.

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Mar 2009 Sun 12:17 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Really, really great to hear this... Apparently people are getting tired of the ineffectiveness of military solutions to the PKK issue. That is great.. Turkish democracy seems to be maturing.

 

Well it seems yes..Our democracy is maturing..

But there was never a ´military solution´ to our kurdish problem..

It took that amount of people getting killed to understand that simple fact..

But it is really a great news..

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 02:27 am

More good news :

After the president´s comments (he said that ´there will be some good things  very soon about our Kurdish problem´, now the governing party is talking about:

-Kurdish names of the locations will be restored (I mentioned several times that many kurdish names of the villages/towns made Turkish -it was part of ´quite primitive´ assimilation policy)

-They will remove the writings of the army ´Ne mutlu Turkum diyene´ from the mountains and hills of the southeast of Turkey(Again, I mentioned several times here that saying did not go well with the kurdish people-because the word ´Turk´ generically speaking is a race )

 

 

 

5.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 10:58 pm

The word "Turk" does not refer to a "Race"...

It is an "ethnonym"

(I wonder what sort of reasoning your mod friends will employ to delete this post... Is it against the board rules to correct people?) 

Quoting thehandsom

(Again, I mentioned several times here that saying did not go well with the kurdish people-because the word ´Turk´ generically speaking is a race )

 

 

 

 

 

6.       catwoman
8933 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 11:00 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

The word "Turk" does not refer to a "Race"...

It is an "ethnonym"

 

(I wonder what sort of reasoning your mod friends will employ to delete this post... Is it against the board rules to correct people?)

 

no reason to delete this post...

7.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 11:29 pm

And what was your reason for deleting the last one? Was it against the board rules in any way? Or, did I fail to suck up to the mods like others do?  

Quoting catwoman

 

 

no reason to delete this post...

 

 

8.       catwoman
8933 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 11:58 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

And what was your reason for deleting the last one? Was it against the board rules in any way? Or, did I fail to suck up to the mods like others do?

 

both, but mostly the first one.

9.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 12:25 am

I guess you will have to wait like a 40 year old virgin for any sort of sucking up, as I don´t do that. You have h for that though.

Which rule did I break in that post you deleted btw? Care to share? 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

both, but mostly the first one.

 

 

10.       catwoman
8933 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 02:38 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

I guess you will have to wait like a 40 year old virgin for any sort of sucking up, as I don´t do that. You have h for that though.

 

I´m going to disregard this as yet another low post of yours.. {#lang_emotions_puking}

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