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Is the AKP to be trusted?
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1.       Kaya´08
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 29 Mar 2009 Sun 09:05 pm

What makes Turkey so unique? What makes it different to the other mainly muslim countries? Simple. Its a viable democracy, stable, and goverened within secular principals.  Whats more? Its part of Europe, the mediteranean, boarders the ME, is part of the Caucasus and Eurasia, and yet, though it spans across the worlds most unstable regions and the most stable ones, Turkey remains a regional power, both in terms of military prowess, democracy, and economic stability. Its a beacon of hope in regions where instability is commonplace, and where muslim militants prepare to destroy Europe and all those who are not extreme. Ataturk mastered a work of art which continues to grow in importance within the world today. He retreated the army from the Middle East and former Yugoslav Macedonia balkans,  and redrew Turkey´s boarders and established its terratorial integrity, set to be, and intentionally, one of the worlds most strategic positions. He modernized society, educated us, and above all; aligned Turkey with secularism, with the west.

 

But now, the biggest question within Turkey is, especially now in the dawn of voting, does the AKP pose a threat to the art that has made Turkey the unique nation that took a revolutionary, enlightened mind to create?

2.       Kaya´08
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 29 Mar 2009 Sun 09:06 pm

In other words, is AKP weakening our secularist nation?

3.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 09:09 pm

are you obsessed? and since when has Turkey been a part of europe? are you American or Turkish? If you`re not Turkish, why are you talking on behalf of Turks?



Edited (3/29/2009) by tamikidakika

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 09:20 pm

 

Quoting Kaya´08

In other words, is AKP weakening our secularist nation?

 

It is an interesting question Kaya

From the posts, I can ´guess´ your answer.

But however, before coming to that question there is another question which is that how democratic the secular nation we have had so far?

Did we really have a proper democracy all along and suddenly these nasty islamists have came and destroyed our society? Or we always had something else and we thought that "that is how a secular democracy is supposed to be"?

5.       Kaya´08
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 29 Mar 2009 Sun 09:52 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

are you obsessed? and since when has Turkey been a part of europe? are you American or Turkish? If you`re not Turkish, why are you talking on behalf of Turks?

 

Obviously your lack of knowledge in the field of geographics has lead you to the conclusion that i am "obsessed". Turkey has a precense in the balkans, does it not? And is the balkans not part of Europe? Therefore i can conclude that its a part of Europe, the Caucasus, Eurasia and the Mediterranean. How does this make me "obsessed"?

 

Quote:

It is an interesting question Kaya

From the posts, I can ´guess´ your answer.
But however, before coming to that question there is another question which is that how democratic the secular nation we have had so far?
Did we really have a proper democracy all along and suddenly these nasty islamists have came and destroyed our society? Or we always had something else and we thought that "that is how a secular democracy is supposed to be"?

 

Good question also, and yes i apologize for my question, it seems pretty biased in the manner i asked it but truthfully i ask of our opinions in this thread so that we can share them.

I can honestly say, no, we do not have a proper, fully secular democracy. Why? Because on some accounts we do see favourable acts for religions in politics over the other. Though i disagree strongly that we see discrimination from the government (which we dont), we do, however, as i just stated, see nods in the direction of the muslims here and there, mainly by the AKP, being devout muslims. The AKP have improved our democracy, and it can only get better, and no it wasnt as good as it was before there rule, but thats not to rule out they have violated certain secular principles in which the country was founded, and even last year nearly saw there complete dismissal. I think the headscarf ban in government institutions, including universities, is however, a good idea, and a bad one to reverse. It signifies both a governments secularist approach and the fact it has no religion.  Should Islam creep its way into our politics, or any other religion, the fatal mistakes of the Ottoman era will only be repeated, and, as i have said in a previous post, islams inherit inability to progressive will infect the country and destroy our democracy. But its not just AKP´s hardship with secularism that could make them not trustworthy. There recent, diabolical shows of oppression of the Dogan media group is just another example of a threatened democracy. I will be happy if i am to see the last of there rule this year, though they have made many applaudable ammendments to our country, there war on the media has only made things regarding the AKP very stale.

 

 

6.       tamikidakika
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 29 Mar 2009 Sun 10:45 pm

Quote:

Obviously your lack of knowledge in the field of geographics has lead you to the conclusion that i am "obsessed". Turkey has a precense in the balkans, does it not? And is the balkans not part of Europe? Therefore i can conclude that its a part of Europe, the Caucasus, Eurasia and the Mediterranean. How does this make me "obsessed"?

 

so does a small piece of land that is called Trakya make the whole Turkey european? Maybe you should take a look at the map before judjing my knowledge of geography.

 

Again, are you a Turkish citizen or American? If you`re not a Turkish citizen, why are you talking on behalf of Turks?

7.       Kaya´08
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 29 Mar 2009 Sun 10:55 pm

Quoting tamikidakika

 

 

so does a small piece of land that is called Trakya make the whole Turkey european? Maybe you should take a look at the map before judjing my knowledge of geography.

 

Again, are you a Turkish citizen or American? If you`re not a Turkish citizen, why are you talking on behalf of Turks?

 

The entire land  mass before the Istanbul bridge is European (and that land mass is bigger than some European countries eg Leichenstien, Wales, and former Yugoslav Macedonia. So i suppose those countries are not considered Europe because they are relatively small?). I think not. Turkey´s influence and presence in the balkans is unquestionable, and to further support my case, our approval for EU membership is another indication that yes, Turkey is also European, but not wholly,  being a transcontinental country.

 

Why do you ask about my citizenship? Is it of importance? If i was American, am i not allowed to voice my opinions on Turkish politics? How does doing so represent the Turkish people considering we do not all follow the same political ideas anyway? If you really want to know the answer, look at my name.

 

I spent years stationed in Cyprus, fighting for the Turks against the seperatist Greek groups. Take that into consideration before questioning my right to talk for politics in Turkey.

8.       Kaya´08
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 29 Mar 2009 Sun 11:12 pm

At no point did i state its a purely european country. Read my post carefully. I specifically mentioned we are a "European, Eurasian, Caucasian and Mediterranean state". In other words, we are transcontinental; a bit like Russia if you like. It cannot be classified into one continental group, as that would be incorrect.

9.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 11:27 pm

in this election, again we saw that some political parties like DTP (a kurdish party), always speaking about domocracy, human rights... can not tolerate any other views. and being fascist and aggressive.  and choosing terrorism as usual.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/11318721.asp?gid=229

 

they did same things during elections campaign also.

10.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 11:34 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

in this election, again we saw that some political parties like DTP (a kurdish party), always speaking about domocracy, human rights... can not tolerate any other views. and being fascist and aggressive.  and choosing terrorism as usual.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/11318721.asp?gid=229

 

they did same things during elections campaign also.

 

 Can you give that link in English? They DO have an English site you know!

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