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Is the AKP to be trusted?
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20.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 12:40 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I dont think it is a good idea to close or ban DTP. They are kind of representing kurds at the moment..

If you are not letting them to be represented what are they supposed to do?

Do you prefer them to go to mountains? 

 

We should allow them to represent the Kurds at the expense of terorrists in government? No, this is not Gaza. And we should not be blackmailed into not banning them for being terrorists because they represent the Kurds, and on the contrary, over 65% of kurds voted for AKP anyway. I dont think it makes a bit of difference. Im  willing to see the dismissal of DTP at the expense of a few, insignificant Kurdish votes anyway (insignificant as in only 20% Kurdish support).

21.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 12:42 am

As Turkish parties begin consider the rights of the Kurds like AKP drasitcally does anyway, and as Kurdish support for the PKK diminishes, and, so will the DTP. May aswell do them a favour and cut the crap early.

22.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 01:17 am

 

Quoting Kaya´08

 

 

We should allow them to represent the Kurds at the expense of terorrists in government? No, this is not Gaza. And we should not be blackmailed into not banning them for being terrorists because they represent the Kurds, and on the contrary, over 65% of kurds voted for AKP anyway. I dont think it makes a bit of difference. Im  willing to see the dismissal of DTP at the expense of a few, insignificant Kurdish votes anyway (insignificant as in only 20% Kurdish support).

I dont think you are understanding the danger here..

Look..First of all, we tried to assimilate them all those years..Then,we closed  all their parties..We put their politicians in jails..We banned their language etc..

The result? did you manage to stop terrorism? did you manage to stop killings?

Not really.. The terrorism itself was fed with those actions.

You can not ban their party and say that it was OUR DEMOCRATICAL right ro ban them..

Forget it.. 

 

23.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 12:20 pm

Handsom, your forgetting the fact that the DTP is not the only kurdish party. Your also forgetting that more turkish parties have been closed down in total by the judical court then the kurdish parties. Do not allow the Kurds to use the "we are being opressed again by the turks" card to blackmail into thinking the DTP should stay because it represents the Kurds. Though from a birds eye view i agree completely it may sound like the wrong thing to do considering the governments past temprements on banning Kurdish parties, politically, its absolutely neccessary to secure our national security. They are, at the end of the day, terrorirsts, and though it may cause conflict within turkey with a minority of Kurds, it will be welcoming news nationally and internationally. Concern regarding the DTP has been expressed before abroad, many times.

24.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 12:29 pm

 

Quoting Kaya´08

Handsom, your forgetting the fact that the DTP is not the only kurdish party. Your also forgetting that more turkish parties have been closed down in total by the judical court then the kurdish parties. Do not allow the Kurds to use the "we are being opressed again by the turks" card to blackmail into thinking the DTP should stay because it represents the Kurds. Though from a birds eye view i agree completely it may sound like the wrong thing to do considering the governments past temprements on banning Kurdish parties, politically, its absolutely neccessary to secure our national security. They are, at the end of the day, terrorirsts, and though it may cause conflict within turkey with a minority of Kurds, it will be welcoming news nationally and internationally. Concern regarding the DTP has been expressed before abroad, many times.

We should not ban DTP.

We must not ban DTP. 

It will be repeat of past mistakes if we do..By banning their party will endanger the national security and there will be more bloodshed. 

Closing (Kurdish) parties was a huge mistake..

 

25.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 12:51 pm

Your right, but your also claiming the legitemacy of a terrorist far right party in goverrnment, yes? And there right to exist in government?

26.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 31 Mar 2009 Tue 09:21 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

We should not ban DTP.

We must not ban DTP. 

It will be repeat of past mistakes if we do..By banning their party will endanger the national security and there will be more bloodshed. 

Closing (Kurdish) parties was a huge mistake..

 

 I just want to remind something

here it says in the rules of this site.

Turkish Class Rules:

 

13. Posts supporting/sympathising with PKK or any other terrorist organization are forbidden. Such posts and their owners may be deleted from the site.

14. Since PKK is a very sensitive topic, discussion of PKK in the forums is limited only to (i) reporting news about a terrorist attack or (ii) reporting a government decision related to PKK. Even these, and related comments may be removed by an administrator or moderator based on personal judgement.

 

27.       libralady
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 31 Mar 2009 Tue 10:24 am

 

Quoting Kaya´08

Your right, but your also claiming the legitemacy of a terrorist far right party in goverrnment, yes? And there right to exist in government?

 

 I am not supporting any terrorist group here, but sometimes giving a voice to those people in government is the way to solve the issues, to some extent.  An example of this is Sinn Fein in Northern Island.  Don´t forget how the peace process was started by talking to Shin Fien with the wonderful late Mo Molem.  She made so much progress which was then hijacked by others.  Think what would have happened had Sinn Fein been banned?



Edited (3/31/2009) by libralady [In a rush!]

28.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 31 Mar 2009 Tue 10:54 am

 

Quoting Kaya´08

Your right, but your also claiming the legitemacy of a terrorist far right party in goverrnment, yes? And there right to exist in government?

 

Before you talk about terrorist far right party I would suggest you to look at the map here

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2009/03/31/Secim2009.html?ver=95

Greens are where DTP wont the election.

Basically Kurds are voting for their kurdish party DTP.

You can not ban them..You should not ban them.

(If you do, you will clearly be labeled as the one who opposes the peace in Turkey. And we will ashame ourselves once more)

As far as the far right parties are concerned, almost all those racist far right parties, somehow, shared the seats in   goverments despite our shame (actually,when you look at the history of last 30 years, you can almost say that Turkey is ruled by the right wing ideologies )

29.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 31 Mar 2009 Tue 12:44 pm

 

Quoting Kaya´08

 

 

Lol yeah or in other words Brixton on a good day.

 

 

 

 You hit the nail on the head. I was in Brixton at the time of the riots in the early 80s that lead to the Scarman enquiry: so I have first hand knowledge. If you take a minority, dont bother about the fact that many of them dont have jobs, and then put in heavy handed policing (from police in Brixton, army in SE Tky) then what do you get as a result ....? Same in SE Tky as SE London.

 

But, since Scarman and the community work that has happened, and the change in police attitudes, Brixton is now a great and thriving multi-racial community at peace with itself.

 

There´s a lesson here, I am sure...

30.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 31 Mar 2009 Tue 12:50 pm

 

Quoting MarioninTurkey

 

 

 You hit the nail on the head. I was in Brixton at the time of the riots in the early 80s that lead to the Scarman enquiry: so I have first hand knowledge. If you take a minority, dont bother about the fact that many of them dont have jobs, and then put in heavy handed policing (from police in Brixton, army in SE Tky) then what do you get as a result ....? Same in SE Tky as SE London.

 

But, since Scarman and the community work that has happened, and the change in police attitudes, Brixton is now a great and thriving multi-racial community at peace with itself.

 

There´s a lesson here, I am sure...

 

 Great post Marion - I completely agree

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