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Survey: Neighborhood pressure is rare in Turkey, but intolerance is not
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1.       Trudy
7887 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 06:00 pm

Turkey´s religious and conservative segments do not apply social pressure on others around them, contrary to what some have suggested in the past, but the prevalence of intolerance in the country is significant, according a new survey. 

 

The new study seems to contradict the results of a 2008 survey conducted by Professor Binnaz Toprak from Boðaziçi University on secular minorities in Anatolian cities, which indicated that the subject groups had the perception of conservative "neighborhood pressure" in their daily lives.

 

Researchers from the Bahçeþehir University, who conducted 1,715 face-to-face interviews in 33 provinces in Turkey as part of the survey on radicalism and extremism in Turkey, found that only 10 percent of society felt they were subject to social discrimination and societal pressure because of their religious beliefs. Five percent said they faced discrimination over religious beliefs from their immediate surroundings, a situation the Turkish media has come to refer to as “neighborhood pressure.” Four percent said they had faced social discrimination because of their religious denomination, 6 percent say they face both social and state discrimination because of their mother tongue and 4 percent say they face social discrimination because of being secular, while 5 percent say they have felt societal and state discrimination because they are women.

 

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Well, I am not wanted as a neighbour, that´s for sure: I drink once in a while alcohol, I´m irreligious, I have Christian family members and friends, I wear shorts, I´m a woman, I´m not married, I´m in favour of gay rights etc. lol lol

2.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 06:58 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Turkey´s religious and conservative segments do not apply social pressure on others around them, contrary to what some have suggested in the past, but the prevalence of intolerance in the country is significant, according a new survey. 

 

The new study seems to contradict the results of a 2008 survey conducted by Professor Binnaz Toprak from Boðaziçi University on secular minorities in Anatolian cities, which indicated that the subject groups had the perception of conservative "neighborhood pressure" in their daily lives.

 

Researchers from the Bahçeþehir University, who conducted 1,715 face-to-face interviews in 33 provinces in Turkey as part of the survey on radicalism and extremism in Turkey, found that only 10 percent of society felt they were subject to social discrimination and societal pressure because of their religious beliefs. Five percent said they faced discrimination over religious beliefs from their immediate surroundings, a situation the Turkish media has come to refer to as “neighborhood pressure.” Four percent said they had faced social discrimination because of their religious denomination, 6 percent say they face both social and state discrimination because of their mother tongue and 4 percent say they face social discrimination because of being secular, while 5 percent say they have felt societal and state discrimination because they are women.

 

Read more

 

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Well, I am not wanted as a neighbour, that´s for sure: I drink once in a while alcohol, I´m irreligious, I have Christian family members and friends, I wear shorts, I´m a woman, I´m not married, I´m in favour of gay rights etc. lol lol

 

 I love these surveys, where they can form the basis of public opinion from a practically incalculable %  population, around 56 people per province - what is the population? over 70 million? Unsure

3.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 07:19 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Well, I am not wanted as a neighbour, that´s for sure: I drink once in a while alcohol, I´m irreligious, I have Christian family members and friends, I wear shorts, I´m a woman, I´m not married, I´m in favour of gay rights etc. lol lol

No reason you should be ashamed of yourself  Trudy; You are our expert on Turkish affairs and you are not yet a lesbian yourself..

 

Keep your chin up !Wink

 

4.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 08:01 pm

How nicely you are showing off.  I bet you are also a member of the übermensh.

Sorry to surprize you but there are tons of people here who consider these just the first step.

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Well, I am not wanted as a neighbour, that´s for sure: I drink once in a while alcohol, I´m irreligious, I have Christian family members and friends, I wear shorts, I´m a woman, I´m not married, I´m in favour of gay rights etc. lol lol

 

 

5.       Trudy
7887 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 08:33 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

How nicely you are showing off.  I bet you are also a member of the übermensh.

Sorry to surprize you but there are tons of people here who consider these just the first step.

 

 

 

 Übermensch (with a C please)? No, that title I leave for over-proud Turks like you.

6.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:04 pm

What im curious about is...where did they gather the samples of their survey ?!

Ý mean, they are talking about Türkiye, then that means they went West, North, East and south of Türkiye, they asked people at the villages as well ?!

Doubting it !

7.       Trudy
7887 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:18 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

What im curious about is...where did they gather the samples of their survey ?!

Ý mean, they are talking about Türkiye, then that means they went West, North, East and south of Türkiye, they asked people at the villages as well ?!

Doubting it !

 

 What´s the difference? The figures are not good I think. And while in most countries - as you yourself said about yours - villagers are mainly not the most progressive ones......

8.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:53 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 What´s the difference? The figures are not good I think. And while in most countries - as you yourself said about yours - villagers are mainly not the most progressive ones......

 

 The difference is... it doesnt represent Türkiye !

People in Türkiye spreading through the country, they dont just live in Ýzmir, Ýstanbul, Ankara and Antalya

So if i made a survay concerning only those, i cant say it represent the whole country.

9.       Trudy
7887 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:59 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 The difference is... it doesnt represent Türkiye !

People in Türkiye spreading through the country, they dont just live in Ýzmir, Ýstanbul, Ankara and Antalya

So if i made a survay concerning only those, i cant say it represent the whole country.

 

If it only was done in these (and other) big cities, it would give an idea of how the people in West-Turkey think. If Eastern villages - called backwards by Western Turks themselves!!!, not by me, I love it there - were included, I think the figures would be even worse. City people are mostly more modern and open-minded than village people (you said so months ago about Egypt).

10.       gothic_ist
1 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:06 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 The difference is... it doesnt represent Türkiye !

People in Türkiye spreading through the country, they dont just live in Ýzmir, Ýstanbul, Ankara and Antalya

So if i made a survay concerning only those, i cant say it represent the whole country.

 

 It looks like a Professor  from a very good university (Boðaziçi University) has done the survey and she says  "it represents Turkiye".

But you dont think its represents Turkiye?

So you know better than the professor? Are you an expert in surveys?

11.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:15 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

If it only was done in these (and other) big cities, it would give an idea of how the people in West-Turkey think. If Eastern villages - called backwards by Western Turks themselves!!!, not by me, I love it there - were included, I think the figures would be even worse. City people are mostly more modern and open-minded than village people (you said so months ago about Egypt).

 

 Well, yes its almost same every where

But...still i may not agree with you

Ýts true they are some how backwards, or so its said by city people, but when it comes to traditions or so, i believe they are better than city people

Take an example

You can live in the city and you may not know your neighbour, or you could just exchange greetings, its not same at villages.

So i also believe in villages, it would be more friendly between different religions than in cities.

Here ´Egypt´ at city, you may find a Christian landlord who refuse to rent the apartment to someone just because he is Muslim.

12.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:17 pm

 

Quoting gothic_ist

 

 

 It looks like a Professor  from a very good university (Boðaziçi University) has done the survey and she says  "it represents Turkiye".

But you dont think its represents Turkiye?

So you know better than the professor? Are you an expert in surveys?

 

Heehh...yes i have a degree in surveys lol

 Btw, im honored that i got your first post

 

13.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:56 pm

I don´t know why some people consider this survey sooo insulting!? Unsure I think that it´s pretty obvious that there is a lot of intolerance in Turkey. Whether you call it this or that... what´s the difference. It´s Turkish people that are the biggest victims of this, denying this problem seems to be fascistic towards groups of people in your own country. Do you care about them less then about the vain and empty country pride? If you care about your own people, speak up against the intolerance within your country!

14.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 11:39 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

I don´t know why some people consider this survey sooo insulting!? Unsure I think that it´s pretty obvious that there is a lot of intolerance in Turkey. Whether you call it this or that... what´s the difference. It´s Turkish people that are the biggest victims of this, denying this problem seems to be fascistic towards groups of people in your own country. Do you care about them less then about the vain and empty country pride? If you care about your own people, speak up against the intolerance within your country!

 

That ´s as maybe, it is not a very representative sample...........

 

15.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Jun 2009 Tue 02:54 am

I´ve never been a great fan of surveys and statistics - remember, when you go for a walk with your dog, statistically, you both have 3 legs lol

 

Now, about this survey, there´s more than one way of looking at it. Firstly, there is a huge gap between what people think and what they do, i.e. if somebody asks you whether you´d rather have drinking or non-drinking neighbours, most of us would go with the latter. However, if we had neighbours who occassionally drink, we wouldn´t mind it, would we?

 

It is normal that people tend to surround with people similar to themselves, hence asked what neighbourhood they´d ideally live in, they provide answers about the ideal state of affairs.

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