Netherlands: Racist slogans painted on Turkish association, mosque


The Veendam municipality put up pictures of the slogans on the walls on their site.

The building of the Turkish association Turk Der and the mosque in Veendam-Noord were covered with racist slogans Saturday night.  The administration of Turk Der calls this a ´serious attack for the Turkish community."  The municipality of Veendam already removed the slogans.

There is unrest within the Turkish community (1500 people).  There is fear from arson of the buildings.  It is the third time that the locality of Turk Der, active in Veendam since 1980, has been covered with graffiti.  The perpetrators were never caught.

The administration of Turk Der does not think this is a prank and calls on witnesses to report to the police.  The racist slogans were supposedly put on the walls around 3-4AM Saturday night.

The picture below your article suits.... That´s what you get when you are acting crazy!

good job trudie. this proves nothing but that all the Dutch are vandals.

All of them??? Every single one? Really? REALLY?

WOW, I need to make sure never to go to the Netherlands if that´s the case.

what could I have said when trudie and catwoman sabotaged my post and changed its content?

 Yes we all are crazy, Melek, but to normal people not dangerous....

 Well lovely, WE didn´t do anything but the text says you used a picture without permission so the owners gave you a middle finger up!

oh really, how come I can see the picture now then?

I thought the middle finger was a part of your content.

It´s a shame about what happened, but I don´t think it´s a reflection on the entire Dutch community. In my perception the Netherlands are one of the most tolerant and welcoming countries. If anything, your post documents that there are idiots, racists, and vandals everywhere.

I´m just wondering, how do you find those articles? This one was in Dutch and I doubt you actually speak it. Do you make it a point to research articles that confirm your persecution complex?

 Because you edited it, sweety. It´s not the text article what it was before in your link (I read it) but just a picture page. You cheated.

Unfortunately, we lost that tolerant label. Yes, I think we were very tolerant in the past but due to many problems with non-natives or second/third generation immigrants, a lot of my countrymen became more rightwing. I regret that, though sometimes I can understand the anger when again several robbings, abuse, rape, murders, thefts, name-callings, threats have happened in about a week time and a lot of the perpetrators have non-Dutch roots. The latter is not important - at least not to me - but what is important is that these criminals, born here!, say  ´we are not Dutch, we are Moroccon/Turkish/Nigerian/Somalian and we spit on your country. We will destroy your society´. Then people become angry and say ´if you don´t like us, go away, if not voluntarily we will kick you out´. All this made the upcoming of a very rightwing party possible, now 9 seats in parliament out of 150, but in polls good for 25-30. I think that is scary. And about those idiots that draw swastikas: they are crazy and I hope police will catch them but as you said, those people are everywhere. Only point is that for our sweet, young Tami we (Western, Christians or not) all are nazi´s. He is too unexperienced to see that in any country bad people live.

it`s the same text. here is its link

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/06/netherlands-racist-slogans-painted-on.html

if you click on the "pictures of the slogans", you will get to this site called parkstadveendam which is where I got the picture from.  it`s also written on the picture I posted.

and I edited my post to change the picture you pasted. if there is smn cheating its you.

That´s quite an accusation! Can you prove that? Answer: no you can´t because I did not.

oh yeah, those christian nazis are just a bunch of freaks and they don`t reperesent anyone but all the Moroccons/Turks/Nigerians/Somalians are criminals who say "we are not dutch, we spit on your country".  and you accuse me of calling you all nazis? go figure.

you summed up your racist nazist christian and fascist ideology perfectly with this post Trudy. good job. and some people still wonder what kind of sick mind is behind these nazist attacks

by the way, can you give me a source proving that Moroccans, Nigerian, Somalians, and Turks say "we are not dutch and we spit on your country"?

are you sure that it`s Dutch? it seems and sounds very English to me. I posted the source I got the article from. and I don`t know what you mean by "persecution complex", but I post them because the christian media will never publish such news.

The original link you had was a link to a Dutch site with pictures.

I don´t know what Christian media you´re referring to, but I would be surprised if that news did make it to the US for example. It seems more of a local issue of hate-based vandalism, which is a bit too remote of an issue for American audience to be considered newsworthy. If the Turkish cultural center here in Chicago was vandalised like that, I think I´d pay more attention. And I don´t know if the Dutch media reported it, I venture they must have, since the author of the blog did find out about it.

That´s an interesting blog by the way. You seemed to skip the news about the Turkish citizen accused of planning a terrorist attack against US interests in Germany. I haven´t seen the Christian media report that one either by the way.

why dont you check out the thread about the muslim man whose house got bombed by christian nazis in california? have you ever heard of it? google it and see if you can get anything from a christian news site.

and I think by that Turkish citizen planning an attack in Germany or whatever it is, you mean this

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,538767,00.html

foxnews is the most christian news channel I know. Are you still sure that the christian media didn`t report it? google it.

and if it`s all about locality, why do all the christian news channels report a Turk`s attacking a christian missionary?

I know what the problem is!!! You watch Christian news too much! No wonder you feel so frustrated!

I don´t have all the answers for you Tami, maybe the media reports whatever they feel is relevant or whatever they feel will "sell". Compared with the media in Europe for example, American media definitely report less of the important news and I don´t think it´s because they don´t want to, I think it´s because people generally (not everybody of course, but many) don´t care all that much about what happens "across the pond" or in the world generally. It´s sad, but what can you do. Force people to care and want to know?

why can`t you admit that what is "relevant" to the christian media is the crimes of muslims, and what is unrelevant is the crimes of christians?

I think I proved that the hypocrisy of christian media has nothing to do with locality but you`re still talking about "what happens accross the pond".

is california considered "accross the pond" to the American christians?

Just like what´s relevant to Muslims, is the crimes of Christians and what´s irrelevant is the crimes of Muslims.  It works both ways.

Again, you might want to stay away from Christian media if you want a more objective news reporting. Otherwise, you opinion is as biased as their reporting. 

And you´d have to ask the Christians about what´s relevant to them.

you took a guess but unfortunately got it wrong. if you think what`s relevant to muslims is the crimes of christians google that news about nazis` painting slogans on a Turkish association building and see if you can get anything from a Turkish news site or any other major news sites of muslim countries.

google the news about the muslim man who got burnt alive in california by christian nazis, and see if you get anything except the news of cair.

What makes you think this is major enough news to be discussed anywhere other than the Netherlands? The only reason it´s even remotely of interest to you is because you are Turkish. If it was about hate crimes against the Koreans for example, you wouldn´t give it a minute of your time.

And I don´t have to google anything. I can only see the choice of the articles that you post to see what is relevant and what isn´t.

right this is nothing major. christian nazis bombing a muslim man`s house and burning him alive to death is nothing major either. what is major is a Turk`s attacking a christian missionary. now that`s what I would call major news.

and how do you know I wouldn`t care if there were hate crimes against Koreans? I care about the attacks towards the Gypsies in England and the other European countries for example, and Gypsies are neither Turks or muslims.

They (gypsies)  were from Romania.

so?

 So what ?

Are you really so dumb that you can´t read? I never ever said that ALL Moroccons/Turks/Nigerians/Somalians are criminals because I KNOW there are not and I will fight everyone who claims they are. I said that a lot of the criminal activitities were done by people from these groups - if you are so great in googling, try it out: Rotterdam+Moroccans, you´ll be surprised. I said that THOSE people, who committed the crimes said they spit on my country and its habits, I never said that all immigrants do that because - again - I KNOW they don´t. But whatever I say or explain, you are so enormously bigheaded that you won´t WANT to see there are problems in (Western) Europe. Partly because WE are not always nice, I´ll admit that instantly but also partly because groups of immigrants refuse to adapt to habits and the culture here. According to you all immigrants (especially Muslims) are angels, who are treated badly and severely discriminated by all those awful European nazi´s. Well, if you think so, so be it but don´t expect anyone to take you seriously.

Well, I guess we have a different definition of what major news is. I agree that what happened in California is tragic and should be condemned and the guilty prosecuted, as should be the attack in the Netherlands, but I don´t think it´s major news except to those involved and the local community. I don´t think the attack on the missionary is major news either. I condemn such actions on principle and I sympathize with the victims, but I don´t think it´s something the whole world should be obliged to hear about just so you don´t accuse them of being nazis.

Well, it´s a good thing you care about the Gypsies. Hopefully you´ll start caring about people in general one day, without regard for their ethinicity or religion.

likewise I`ve never said all the christians are nazis and I will fight anyone who claims they are, but most of the christians are nazis, the rest are not. keep in mind that not all the christians are nazis, but all the nazis are christians.

As long as gipsies live a normal life , they are clean and respect the law ( i know their passion for stealing ) they can be accepted in any society.

You sound like those people who say that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims.

oh yeah, I just chose behaving and thinking like a christian hoping that it could make me a "civilized and modern person".

what do you mean by "being clean" and "living a normal life"? I`ve never came accross a Gypsy who is not respectful to others, and Ive never got mugged by a Gypsy. so you say they are attacked in Europe because they don`t live a normal life, they are not clean and they steal. Are you from Bulgaria?

Since when behaving and thinking like a Christian is equivalent to being civilized?

 The fact you accused me of being a nazi I´ll file under ´being a moron´.

Second: All nazi´s are Christian? Learn your history young fellow, and maybe take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OzEvyrsw 

It becomes especially interesting after 1 minute..... Or do you dare to say that a mufti is not a Muslim?

 Skip the text Melek and only leave the emotion. That´ll do.

    Last year they burned the hundreds years old church because the wanted to steal cooper... But they couldnt be punished at all because were under 14. The social assistance tries to get gipsies into society but nonsense... And NO im not from Bulgaria!

how about your accusing me of being a criminal? What should I call you for that? something starting with letter b would suit you?

and when did I accuse you of being a nazi? I made it clear that not all the christians are nazis, but just the majority of them.

where are you from then? where were you born?

I hear ya, but it was a comment on the inanity of the statement, not on Tami´s intellectual qualities(one wants to comply with the forum rules, ya know).

isn`t it? that`s what the christian propagandists say.

Where Ým from ? Use your imagination. And by the way i  invite you in my native town to see the gipsy comunity from there Mister ´ Ý KNOW EVERYTHÝNG´

ok what`s the name of your native town?

 Where did I accuse YOU PERSONALLY of being a criminal? Show me my words.

Forgot what you wrote on page 2? Here is your quote:

You really need to change your circle of friends. Try people who are less religious, you know, some that espouse the principles of secular humanism for example. You´ll be less frustrated.

 BÝSTRÝTA . And i have nothing with gipsies who respect the law and have a decent life. My boyfriend is also gipsy.

and how did you get that I PERSONALLY called you a nazi? assuming you`ve never carried out a nazist attack, I exclude you from the list of nazis. that "your" refers to "your people" in general.

 Very weak excuse. Feeling attacked? So where did I say you were a criminal? Huh? Can´t find eh?

BTW You didn´t respond to the Mufti-link I gave you. How conveniant. Was it too hard to hear to truth?

ahahahaha ok no need for "explanation". I know that Romanians hate the Gypsies passionately.

 My boyfriend in gipsy ! You didnt read this !

mufti link?

ok america is a muslim country, as its a fact that al qaida was supported by America. if you agree that America is a muslim country I agree that some muslims are nazis.

speaking about priests, I think you would want to see your pope in action.

Hitler`s grandfather was Jewish too but it didn`t change anything.

Ýf a turkish is killed in Romania this means you have to hate all romanians?

no, and how is this relevant?

 You cant say that romanians are hating gipsies...they dont like those who are doing bad things and living in misery

 My Pope? How the heck did you get that idiot idea? Oh, I know, to you all Westerners are Christians, even if they are not.

And FYI again - copied from post nr. 37:

Second: All nazi´s are Christian? Learn your history young fellow, and maybe take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OzEvyrsw 

It becomes especially interesting after 1 minute..... Or do you dare to say that a mufti is not a Muslim?

so you agree that America is a muslim country Trudy?

the guy in the video clearly says that he supports germany because "the enemy of their enemy is their friend". if that makes him a nazi, then America is a muslim country. You agree?

sorry to butt in..just an anectode about their pope not ours..ours was  John Paul the 2nd..

their pope arrived in Cracow with Polish welcoming text..in bad Polish"witam was ciule" (welcome with tenderness)crowd welcoming the Pope frozen.."ciule"is translated-"dicks"in Polish)) and later all Polish media had fun..citizens as well..we still have..although Christians and Catholics in 95%...

As usual you can´t think nor debate clearly. You´ll jump to conclusions that are way out of line. Maybe you´ll learn when you grow up. I´ll quit, with a kid like you who is discussing (ahem) so insane, I can´t go on. A waste of my time.

ahahhaha so Trudy, that teaches you a few lessons

1) don`t make fallacious arguments

2) don`t get in a debate with someone you can`t outsmart

don´t forget to drink herb tea...suiable for your age Trudyand leave supertitiz in peace!

 Sure, I´ll leave him playing with his dolls and car toys.

Come on the chat room Mhsn and have a glass of raký..we are waiting for you

I know that Trudy and you set a trap there for me. Trudy must be seeking revenge now

No...we are many there and having a drink. you are welcome too

 sorry to disappoint you..he is not available..he is still undergoing adana´s treatment..look -translation lounge announcement....he is all MINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Who is this BÝRDY ? his jelouse wife? girlfriend? And most of all who wants him ? Go to sleep and sweet dreams

MHSN cannot handle by himself his disscusions ! He needs a woman to take his part and defend him ! HA-HA-HA

your being both racist and sexist is not a good sign!

Ohhh Tami

The guy who said that is certainly not the mufti lol

He is our late president Anwar El Sadat ALLAH rest his soul when he was at his parents´ house at his village, dressed as common people at villages and even sitting with them at the ground.

ALLAH rest his soul again, he was never ashamed of what he was, he was  proud and never forget his roots but proud of it even after being the hero of war and peace.

I didn`t say he was a mufti.

 Did you look at the link I gave, Canli? Apparently not. The guy I mean wasn´t even Egyptian!

 one of Dobrowski family,which is huge and to which Tami is addicted more than to Christians.I hope you are now satisfied with an answer,if not- go and investigate  with your new magnifying glass to make matters bigger  than they are-as you seem not to know much about TLC.Have a good day,btw

And this one is You ????? OMG !!!

 Dont you mean the youtube link ?

Yes i did, thats why i told Tami that guy is Anwar El Sadat.

The one who said enemies of our enemies are our friends.

How else would i know who he is if i didnt look at the link Trudy ?!

Ý know you didnt mean him but El mufti .

What Anwar El Sadat said would explain the relation between El Mufti and actually if im not mistaken not only him but most of the countries which were under the occupation of the British and the Germans on that time.

 Interesting....here is a history lesson for you Trudy....you are aware of the fact:  The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a position appointed by the British Mandate authorities, are you not?
 

 .....

 Ahhhmmm....is this some type of attempt at an esoteric reply to my question below....?

 "Interesting....here is a history lesson for you Trudy....you are aware of the fact:  The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a position appointed by the British Mandate authorities, are you not?"

Trudy, please excuse  me, I seem to have mispelled your name in my earlier posts.

 Birdy operates the  laundromat here...speaking of which has been closed for sometime.  Do you realize how much laundry I have now?

Birdy is a little caged bird who visits TC in many, many disguises!

 emin misin canim?ne bir  güzel tasvirteþekkürler

Type of  frustrated woman

 sen???senin problemin,benim deðilkimin umurundatatli uykular