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Notorious Diyarbakýr Prison to become history
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 04:27 pm

The Diyarbakir Prison, infamously known as a torture house, especially in the aftermath of the Sept. 12, 1980 coup d´état, will be closed and turned into an educational complex, the government has announced.

The government is trying to erase the traces of pain and tears of the past as part of the democratization package it announced last month, which aims to answer the long-standing Kurdish question.....

 

A large number of inmates locked up in the prison after the 1980 coup were subject to atrocious acts of torture. The prison was listed among the 10 most notorious prisons in the world by the British daily the Times. Many of post-1980 inmates never made it out of the prison alive, while dozens of others were maimed for life. The prison was the scene of many an uprising and hunger strike.

 

Some of the more well-known figures who served time in the prison include Democratic Society Party (DTP) leader Ahmet Türk and former DTP deputies Nurettin Yilmaz, Celal Paydas, Mustafa Çakmak and former mayor Mehdi Zana as well as Kurdish writer and intellectual Orhan Miroglu and poet Yilmaz Odabasi. The father of Kurdish writer Altan Tan, Bedii Tan, lost his life in this prison as a result of torture. ...

 

Diyarbakir Prison a reason  for PKK´s struggle

 

Meanwhile, Selahattin Demirtas, head of the DTP´s parliamentary group, also seemed to agree with Tan, saying: “The Diyarbakir Prison, associated with torture, is one of the reasons for the PKK´s existence. The brutality and torture of that prison should be passed on to the next generation as a cautionary monument. It should be turned into a human rights museum. They found this solution because the Provincial National Education Directorate is having problems finding land in the city. This is not part of the Kurdish initiative. But we support it. The Diyarbakir Prison should be emptied, turned into a museum,...

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-......kir-prison-to-become-history.html

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I remember mentioning this prison and how important it has been for our Kurdish problem several times..


I would agree with them that it should be turned into human rights museum..

 

 

2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 07:15 pm

So turning it into a school sounds like trying to hide and deny what actually happened there. How is this an initiative to resolve the Turkish problem against Kurds?

3.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 08:43 pm

I think turning it into a memorial so that people will never forget or repeat what happened would be a little more appropriate.  I have to agree with you, cat.

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 02:41 am

I think it is abit late to hide about what went there years ago..

I really think that that place should be a human rights museum.

It should stay there  to show ´how unhuman can some of the human beings could be´..

And as far as the Kurdish initive is concerned, I am very optimistic and I am planning to write about it soon in either as a column or in the forum.. If I am not wrong, the future of Turkey might be changing with that initive..  

 

5.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 03:01 am

 

still quoting crap from the kurdish islamic terrorist Fetullah`s newspaper?

 

any particular proof that those people were tortured for being kurdish? No one got tortured for being kurdish but for being leftist in the 80 coup, and at least 80 percent of those tortured people were not Kurdish but Turkish. so what makes the diyarbakir prison so speacial for your little mind? why is it more important than the sinop prison for example? is it that only Turks were tortured in in Sinop and the west don`t care about what happens to Turks?

6.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 06:05 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

still quoting crap from the kurdish islamic terrorist Fetullah`s newspaper?

 

any particular proof that those people were tortured for being kurdish? No one got tortured for being kurdish but for being leftist in the 80 coup, and at least 80 percent of those tortured people were not Kurdish but Turkish. so what makes the diyarbakir prison so speacial for your little mind? why is it more important than the sinop prison for example? is it that only Turks were tortured in in Sinop and the west don`t care about what happens to Turks?

 

as long as there are people like this in turkey, I do not see the future too optimistically... No way

7.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 07:47 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

as long as there are people like this in turkey, I do not see the future too optimistically... No way

 

 No problem for Turkey Kitty.....he isn´t living there!  <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

8.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 09:52 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

as long as there are people like this in turkey, I do not see the future too optimistically... No way

 

you`ve recovered from your visa post embarassment?

9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 10:26 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

 

 

 No problem for Turkey Kitty.....he isn´t living there!  <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

Ha ha ha..

Thanks god for that..

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 10:48 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

still quoting crap from the kurdish islamic terrorist Fetullah`s newspaper?

 

any particular proof that those people were tortured for being kurdish? No one got tortured for being kurdish but for being leftist in the 80 coup, and at least 80 percent of those tortured people were not Kurdish but Turkish. so what makes the diyarbakir prison so speacial for your little mind? why is it more important than the sinop prison for example? is it that only Turks were tortured in in Sinop and the west don`t care about what happens to Turks?

 

This is an interesting contrast..

In this thread you are complaining about a torture cse http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_42632

But are you saying that when torture is done in Turkey to Turkish citizens  is crap?

Do you realize that that woman whom you are mentioning in your thread can be considered as Mother Theresa when you compare what was done in two different jails?

And do you know that none of the torturers in Turkey taken into account? 

 

Some reading for you:

http://www.diyarbakirzindani.com/index.php?op..15&Itemid=9

 

And some drawings for you:

http://www.diyarbakirzindani.com/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=45

 

 

 

 

 

11.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 11:20 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

This is an interesting contrast..

In this thread you are complaining about a torture cse http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_42632

But are you saying that when torture is done in Turkey to Turkish citizens  is crap?

Do you realize that that woman whom you are mentioning in your thread can be considered as Mother Theresa when you compare what was done in two different jails?

And do you know that none of the torturers in Turkey taken into account? 

 

Some reading for you:

http://www.diyarbakirzindani.com/index.php?op..15&Itemid=9

 

And some drawings for you:

http://www.diyarbakirzindani.com/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=45

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

such an idiotic rhetoric as a defence? is this your best?

 

can you prove that I was ignoring the tortures in prisons in the 80 coup? it`s you who is ignoring thousands of Turks who got tortured in those prisons because they are not as important as kurds to you. but according to your *ucked up kurdish/christian propaganda, only the Kurds got tortured and they were tortured for being kurds.

 

but as a matter of fact, those people got tortured in the 80 coup just for being leftist, and at least 80 percent of them were Turkish.

 

Why do you ignore those who got tortured in Buca, Sinop, or Bursa? were they less of humans than your beloved kurds?



Edited (8/25/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

12.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 11:47 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

 

 

such an idiotic rhetoric as a defence? is this your best?

 

can you prove that I was ignoring the tortures in prisons in the 80 coup? it`s you who is ignoring thousands of Turks who got tortured in those prisons because they are not as important as kurds to you. but according to your *ucked up kurdish/christian propaganda, only the Kurds got tortured and they were tortured for being kurds.

 

but as a matter of fact, those people got tortured in the 80 coup just for being leftist, and at least 80 percent of them were Turkish.

 

Why do you ignore those who got tortured in Buca, Sinop, or Bursa? were they less of humans than your beloved kurds?

 

ha ha

So our little puppy gets angry when he is exposed that he has no idea what was going on in his own country.. Eh?

How dare you can insult Turkish citizens with  Kurdish origins you  .... (I dont want to say what I want to say really)

You are a disgrace to every Turkish citizen with the basis of ´a Turk can not be this  full of inferior complex´..

 

You are a denier!!

You are not better than any other torture deniers..

Show me anywhere in any threads that you were talking about Turture in your own country!!

You can not..Because either you dont know them or you will deny them..

So that there can be more turture in your own country..

Phew!!



Edited (8/25/2009) by thehandsom [added phew!!]

13.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 11:54 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

ha ha

So our little puppy gets angry when he is exposed that he has no idea what was going on in his own country.. Eh?

How dare you can insult Turkish citizens with  Kurdish origins you  .... (I dont want to say what I want to say really)

You are a disgrace to every Turkish citizen with the basis of ´a Turk can not be this  full of inferior complex´..

 

You are a denier!!

You are not better than any other torture deniers..

Show me anywhere in any threads that you were talking about Turture in your own country!!

You can not..Because either you dont know them or you will deny them..

So that there can be more turture in your own country..

Phew!!

 

 

 

 

 

wtf  is "Turture"? <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

take a break, you don`t make any sense in English.

 



Edited (8/25/2009) by mhsn supertitiz
Edited (8/25/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:00 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

 

 

 

 

wtf  is "Turture"? <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

take a break, you don`t make any sense in English.

 

 

lol lol

yes yes yes..

My writing does NOT make any sense at all...

BRILLIANT!!!! (lol lol lol)

 

 

 

15.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:16 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

lol lol

yes yes yes..

My writing does NOT make any sense at all...

BRILLIANT!!!! (lol lol lol)

 

 

 

 

you call it "writing"?

 

it`s more of a "word salad", and you can`t even get the words correct. poor you...<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

16.       alex de souza
60 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:18 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

but as a matter of fact, those people got tortured in the 80 coup just for being leftist, and at least 80 percent of them were Turkish.

 

Why do you ignore those who got tortured in Buca, Sinop, or Bursa? were they less of humans than your beloved kurds?

 

 

Yes they were tortured at least 10 times worse than other leftist just because they were kurdish leftist and speaking kurdish and listening to kurdish songs. Do you really think there was no kurdish problem before PKK?  Do you think those kurdish were tortured that bad just because they are communists?  There was always the same problem, and what happened during " 12 th september "  to those kurds just made them start PKK quicker.

 

what makes me angry is that people deliberately are kept ignorant about what happened in Diyarbakýr Prison. i personally didnt know about it until i read Yýldýrým Türker´s article which thehandsom posted last year. Just try to be open to what others say instead of defending the status quo so passionately. There is alwasy something to learn.

 

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:22 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

you call it "writing"?

 

it`s more of a "word salad", and you can`t even get the words correct. poor you...<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

Yeah yeah 

BRILLIANT!!! (let me write before anybody comes and writes!!!!)

 

 

18.       _AE_
677 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:43 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

it`s more of a "word salad"

 

lollollol

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:51 pm

You forgot to add "BRLLIANT" <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

20.       _AE_
677 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 12:53 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

You forgot to add "BRLLIANT" <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 Thank you, thank you!BThank you, thank you!RThank you, thank you!IThank you, thank you!LThank you, thank you!LThank you, thank you!IThank you, thank you!AThank you, thank you!NThank you, thank you!T!!Thank you, thank you!

21.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 07:09 pm

 

Quoting alex de souza

 

 

 

Yes they were tortured at least 10 times worse than other leftist just because they were kurdish leftist and speaking kurdish and listening to kurdish songs. Do you really think there was no kurdish problem before PKK?  Do you think those kurdish were tortured that bad just because they are communists?  There was always the same problem, and what happened during " 12 th september "  to those kurds just made them start PKK quicker.

 

what makes me angry is that people deliberately are kept ignorant about what happened in Diyarbakýr Prison. i personally didnt know about it until i read Yýldýrým Türker´s article which thehandsom posted last year. Just try to be open to what others say instead of defending the status quo so passionately. There is alwasy something to learn.

 

 

 

 

yes there was a torturemeter connected to those torturees and it`s recorded that the Kurdish leftists got tortured 10.89364 times worse than the Turkish leftists.

 

why should I read the taraf crap to know what happened? I know what happened in all Turkey, not just diyarbakir.



Edited (8/25/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

22.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Aug 2009 Wed 03:53 am

 

Quoting alex de souza

 

 

 

Yes they were tortured at least 10 times worse than other leftist just because they were kurdish leftist and speaking kurdish and listening to kurdish songs. Do you really think there was no kurdish problem before PKK?  Do you think those kurdish were tortured that bad just because they are communists?  There was always the same problem, and what happened during " 12 th september "  to those kurds just made them start PKK quicker.

 

what makes me angry is that people deliberately are kept ignorant about what happened in Diyarbakýr Prison. i personally didnt know about it until i read Yýldýrým Türker´s article which thehandsom posted last year. Just try to be open to what others say instead of defending the status quo so passionately. There is alwasy something to learn.

 

I guess you were talking about this post:

http://www.turkishclass.com/sfa/turkce/forumTitle_34039

Well..

I mean, what can you say?

There is this as ´a fact´ basically..

People are there  and out ; what is done is out; what is said during these ´turtures´  is out; the result is still with us; and the people who were  there ( or not) talking about   the ´extra´ treatment  in that jail etc etc

In the end,

This is something  happened in our country.

Denying this  will be participating this crime mentally...

Some people  will keep denying it.. or tearing their bottom to discredit it because it will prove ´they were wrong all along´..

But thanks for reminding us above thread from RADIKAL (as opposing to Taraf   ) ..

 

 

 

 

23.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Sep 2009 Tue 01:03 am

..infamous Diyarbakir Prison

 

 

The future of the Diyabakir Prison, which stands as a testament to Turkey’s modern history and some say is the place where the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party was born, is in the process of being determined. Some call for the prison to become a monument to freedom, others say it should be a home to education and yet others say it should become nothing at all

 

Infamous for torturing prisoners after the 1980 military coup, Diyarbakir Prison is now the center of a debate ...

 

It has long been said Diyarbakir Prison is the place where the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, was born as a reaction to the terrible experiences in the prison. ...

 

Everyone agrees that something inhumane happened there. We want this place to be a museum for it to be a lesson to humanity. We do not want it to be forgotten,..

 

 

The prison has become a symbol because of the barbarity experienced there,...

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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com...ous-diyarbakir-prison8217-2009-08-31

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It looks like what we were saying here about this prison and its relation to kurdish movement were RIGHT all the way..

will People  still deny these facts?

lol 

 

 


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