http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfDdWV9IJbM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCPAXgrm2U&NR=1&feature=fvwp

"Average Opinion of Islamic People in America. Charles Firth Asks Average Americans Whether Muslims Should Carry ID and Whether Pork Spray Could be a Possible Deterent."

I wonder if the survey was done in Islamic countries and "average" people were surveyed, what would the "average" comments be like about Americans/Christians/Jews/insert the name of an infidel of choice here?

But then again, I would probably realize that the responses chosen for editing were probably chosen precisely to get a reaction out people like you.

A stupid clip stereotyping Americans based on responses of a few people who are stupid enough to stereotype all Muslims. And Tami, you fell for it again. How, erm, typical.

why are you getting offensive when the christian bigotry is exposed? People post surveys here showing the Turks as bigots, and nobody tells them not to post them? Why can`t you take any criticism?

but ok I`m sorry, I must admit that Americans love muslims. That video is full of lies.  Does that make you feel happy now?

As an atheist I couldn´t care less if it´s Christian or Islamic or Jewish or whoever else´s religion´s bigotry that´s exposed. To me all religions rate pretty much the same in many if not all categories.

What irks me is the Anti-American hatred campain that you´re conducting here. I have lived in this country for a long time and I can tell you that it´s not as black and white as you´d like to paint it. If you´re going to be critical, be critical, but make a good argument and be objective, insted of spreading propaganda that rivals the one that you so aim to expose.

You´re equally misinformed or unfair when you say that all Americans hate Muslims as when you say that all of them love Muslims. Neither is true and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. You´re just too blinded by your hatered to see it.

if you are so impartial, why didn`t you attack theH like you`re doing now when he posted the survey about Turks showing them as bigots?

If you call this an anti-american hatred campaign, why don`t you call all the stuff posted here portraying Turkey in negative light, anti-Turkish hatred campaign? Look at the main page and you will see plenty of them.

I know from my own expereince that anti-muslim bigotry is well spread in America, and a great percentage of Americans hate muslims. Don`t tell me that you lived there and they don`t hate muslims. You didn`t live there as a muslim.

The average comments in Islamic countries? The average comment will be like you are seeing here from Tami..

Actually, Tami is the Turkish version of the people you see in that video..

And you do not need to do any editing of his responses..  

Which survey was it?

Were the findings of that survey upset you?

Do you want to go through the items of the survey if they are the right or correct findings  or not?

Can you?  

Generically speaking the surveys I would normally post here, can be seen from  quite reliable sources..Its is not from a talk show or whatever..

And some of them are exposing OUR own bigotery.

And why is there bigotery in my country on some subjects? 

Because we have many  people like you in Turkey!!

Full of hatred of western values, coupled  up with personal inferior complex!!!

Once you have THAT inferior complex, of course you think that anything critical of Turkey is part of evil western plan and part of anti-Turkish campain..

There is not anti Turkish campain here!! Why should it be?

Can you prove that there is? 

Bigotary in Turkey upsets me..

Look at it..You are a great example of people who hates anything western which itself against anything Ataturk wanted to establish..

You are embarressing my country here as some might think every Turk is as  bigot as you are..

From your own experience? Really? Do you personally know "a great percentage of Americans"? Or maybe you´re getting your info from the Christian media that you seem to despise so much. You´re driving a point about how biased they are (which I happen to agree) so how come you don´t take that into consideration when making your own judgments?

Or have you ever thought that it´s not Muslims that the Americans you meet hate, but maybe it´s you? With attitudes like you have it´d be hard to feel warm towards you. Maybe the Americans you meet make their impression of Muslims based on their interaction with you, have you thought of that? 

And to answer your question, you´re assuming that I read every thread, which I don´t. Nor do I feel inclined to post on topics I know little about. I don´t know whether Turks are bigots or not, I don´t know "a great percentage of them". My opinion of Turks is based on the few I´ve met and what I see on this site, which, if I were to take your posts into consideration, I´d have to admit that the survey wasn´t too far off.

Based on the comments by western members of this site I would say that survey is pretty accurate.  TheH is being defensive by trying to equate this with Turkish nationalism, but does this mean he denies the racism and anti-islamic propaganda that exists in the west?

Perhaps you now understand how Turks feel by the anti-Turkish hatred campaign on this site, which far more posts are dedicated to, and is mainly organised by an ex-pat Turk!

 This is simply ridiculous - I think he would know if he were the subject of personal dislike or racism eh?  And all those anti-Muslim jokes, films etc. are because of Tami? You are being very defensive but seem the be one of the first to jump on the bandwagon when Turkey is under criticism...

I think you should  read my posts + try to understand then come and argue with me the points I am making in that particular post..

If you dont, dont come here and try to prove that there is an anti Turkish hatred campaign..

You will be laughed at.

We went this through many many times!!!

I beg to differ - some people take general comments personally and some people take personal comments and elevate them to the status of racism (playing the "race card") - it may or may not be true in this case. You also seem to have missed my point - that it´s not black or white. I´m not denying that there´s anti-Muslim sentiment in the USA - I´m opposing stereotyping all Americans based on the views of some.

Also, I´d challenge you to find a single thread where I´m jumping on the bandwagon when Turkey is under criticism. I doubt you´d find a single one. So if you´re going to criticise my posts, have some substance to the criticism and don´t pull your info out of your ass.

 For thehandsom who thinks I don´t read his posts and thinks my comments are unjustified...

 I would say that you have ONLY EVER posted surveys exposing bigotry or some other flaw, regarding Turkey.  I have yet to see you post one exposing bigotry or racism in the west.

And you make it VERY clear in your post that you are full of hatred of eastern values, coupled with a personal SUPERIOR complex and inflated ego.

 Perhaps you should check your OWN posts before making such a sweeping statement.  Apart from poems, mushroom soup and music, I have not seen you post much that is positive about Turkey.

 Easy just read your posts.

 But clearly it doesn´t upset you anywhere else...

 Don´t you think that most eastern countries have EVER REASON to hate the west??  It is up to the west to change that - I don´t see that you are doing much in that area.

You speak for Turkey now eh?

Let´s hope people reading your posts don´t assume every Turk is as bigot as YOU!  In addition, as someone who has lived in the UK for quite some time now, you do a great job in confirming popular opinion that all Brits are arrogant, fascist, intolerant gits with superiority complexes....

 You are right and apologies for that comment - I was confusing you with someone else! 

For thehandsom who thinks I don´t read his posts and thinks my comments are unjustified...

I am not saying that our comments are unjustified..

They just do NOT make any sense ..

You lost the point from the beginning (sorry but it is the case here )

 I have yet to see you post one exposing bigotry or racism in the west.

 You can not show  or prove that  I did sport even very midly any westernt bigotry or racism..

I am a person living in the west and I am a person have suffered and have been suffering from racism myself.

But girl..Dont expect me to join the band wagon of a few primtive Turks who fail to see  what is going on in my own country and coming here, trying to critisize the west as ´I fu... you mother fu... Christians. You all menapose christian grannies etc´ type posts.

 Come on...We are not childeren here..We dont have time for this..You might have..But I dont..

And you make it VERY clear in your post that you are full of hatred of eastern values, coupled with a personal SUPERIOR complex and inflated ego.

Well..I can not hate eastern values as I am an EASTERN person myself. I am a person speaking from inside and critisize ..I have always done it..so what? critisism does not mean you hate it (you are mixing oranges and apples here )

But I simply do not have an inferior complex

And you are really getting personal up there!! Please  

 Perhaps you should check your OWN posts before making such a sweeping statement.  Apart from poems, mushroom soup and music, I have not seen you post much that is positive about Turkey.

 Everything I am posting about Turkey may not be that positive but to make Turkey a better place..

I wont post something like ´sish kebap guzel, raki guzel, hamam guzel´. 

But nobody can question the subjects I post is true or not..

Show me one..Only one that I was not telling the truth!!

You can not..

 Look.

 We Turks are not liars...

 We Turks are not as bigot as you think we are..

We can critisize ourselves as much as you do..

 My posts are the proof of that..

 And without critism there is not going to be any change to anything..So critisim is absolutely necessary and sometimes being silent means you are sharing the guilt. (necessety  of critisizm is a MUST for anything really..But it will be a bit philosophical for you so lets dont go into that )

 So I wont stay silent personally as long as I love my country and I love my people...

 Some of the Turks can stay silent and share the guilt of many things.  I am not one of them..I dont want them to be repeated at all..

You speak for Turkey now eh? 

Of course I do..I have always done..I think it is much more my right than anybody who does not give a shit what is hapenning in his  own country!!..

Let´s hope people reading your posts don´t assume every Turk is as bigot as YOU!

No need to answer..You simply do not know the meaning of bigotary..

That is you being defensive up there   

In addition, as someone who has lived in the UK for quite some time now, you do a great job in confirming popular opinion that all Brits are arrogant, fascist, intolerant gits with superiority complexes....

Well please do NOT stereotype people AE. You British are human beings too ..

Önemli deðil.

No problemo. I´m confusing myself with somebody else all the time .

 Are you unable to understand English?

Well actually you are as much a child as Tami!!!   BUT BOY,  If this is a personal issue you have with him, why not PM rather than name call.  You use the same language and insults to him as he uses to you.  Time?  Hey it is a sunny bank holiday and if I was not working I would be at the beach now - and if I had children I would be taking them out somewhere...what is your excuse?

 I can show you many where your opinions are personal.  The numerous articles you post are "true words of the author" but this doesn´t mean they are not written with bias or half-truths.  Even the completely factual posts that you post leave me wondering your motive for extracting them and posting them here.  When Tami does the same, from his own biased view, you are the first to question his sources and motives!  I think you are very similar actually - not just at opposite ends of opinions.

 Hahaha this is one of the most arrogant, sanctimonious things you have ever written - and let´s face it there have been a few!

I can 100% agree with this - I actually said you have a SUPERIORITY complex!

 I agree - however, my point was that you said he was "embarassing Turkey" - you were speaking for the population of Turkey!!!!!!!  Despite your self-importance, I hate to break this to you, but you are not important in Turkey and I believe the phrase you should have used was "As a Turk, I am embarassed".

 I think you need to check the word "defensive" (particulary as you use it so often).  I have nothing to be defensive about in this thread so I really don´t understand that comment here.

With regard to the meaning of bigotry - a quick glance at your comments regarding muslims would reveal you very quickly as a bigot.

 Again you seem to have problems understanding simple English.  I have written nothing stereotypical, no personal comment.  I wrote that "popular opinion" is that the English are arrogant - therefore this is not my statement. 

Perhaps more time reading an English dictionary and less time posting crap would be time better spent!

If it WAS between me and him why am I having this argument with YOU?

And what makes you keep coming back again and again? Are you tami?

HA HA HA

 Why YOU and your outlandish posts dear!   It was so easy to stay away from TC when you were limiting yourself to your column (with comments disabled)!

I did not mean why you keep coming back to tc..I meant why am I having this argument again and again with you? Tami does not know how to argue? Let him come with all his glorious  ´you fuc.. bast.. christian menaposal women, blockhead etc´ type of posts.  

ps..I knew that you were checking what we were doing in tc here while you were away.. 

 As LIR said the other day on another thread, the forum is not for PERSONAL one to one discussions - I may comment on whatever post I like, and Tami may do the same, as do you

Should I be ashamed of reading TC while I was away?   In fact, if you want the truth, I checked TC very seldomly, and did not read your column and the controversy which followed, but was told about it from a third party (ex-harem member)

 Are you unable to understand English? 

 The problem is not English..Your logic

 Well actually you are as much a child as Tami!!!   BUT BOY,  If this is a personal issue you have with him, why not PM rather than name call.  You use the same language and insults to him as he uses to you.  Time?  Hey it is a sunny bank holiday and if I was not working I would be at the beach now - and if I had children I would be taking them out somewhere...what is your excuse?

If it is between me and him why am I having this argument with YOU?  

 I can show you many where your opinions are personal.  The numerous articles you post are "true words of the author" but this doesn´t mean they are not written with bias or half-truths.  Even the completely factual posts that you post leave me wondering your motive for extracting them and posting them here.  When Tami does the same, from his own biased view, you are the first to question his sources and motives!  I think you are very similar actually - not just at opposite ends of opinions.

 I am telling you show me..

You are still coming back and saying. ´I can show you´

YES I want you to show me!!

 Action please.. Come on..SHOW us..

 And stop insulting me with comparision.

 OK?

 Everything I am posting about Turkey may not be that positive but to make Turkey a better place..

 Hahaha this is one of the most arrogant, sanctimonious things you have ever written - and let´s face it there have been a few! 

Again  I am telling you show me..´

 You know that you can not!! You know that you are bein economical with the truth.. 

I can 100% agree with this - I actually said you have a SUPERIORITY complex! 

Well I said that I dont have inferior complex..And that is the bottom line for me

 I agree - however, my point was that you said he was "embarassing Turkey" - you were speaking for the population of Turkey!!!!!!!  Despite your self-importance, I hate to break this to you, but you are not important in Turkey and I believe the phrase you should have used was "As a Turk, I am embarassed".

 ha ha ha.  

 I never said that I an an important person in turkey? did you see me saying that? can you show me ? imagining again?

 Well for me, my personal opinion, he is an embarresment for Turkey and  as a Turk I am embarresed..

Happy?

With regard to the meaning of bigotry - a quick glance at your comments regarding muslims would reveal you very quickly as a bigot.

Now you are being defensive again

 Again you seem to have problems understanding simple English.  I have written nothing stereotypical, no personal comment.  I wrote that "popular opinion" is that the English are arrogant - therefore this is not my statement. 

It was a stereotyping.. But I will not insist and let you go on this..

Perhaps more time reading an English dictionary and less time posting crap would be time better spent! 

I dont think what I post here is your business AE.. So keep engaging with your own activities rather than coming back at me again and again with the same argument we keep arguing every six months..

You beginning to sound quite boring actually!!!

Such a shame..You were not in the past!!

 I would happily reply point by point, and then you would reply point by point and so on.... but actually I refuse to waste any more time on you.  You clearly misunderstood my post (again!)   However, I would like to just clarify with you (AGAIN) that it IS my business when you post on a public forum - your friend LIR made the same point the other day, and I fail to see any difference here. 

Your thoughts about me, past OR present, have no effect and bear no relevence to me whatsover. 

As usual, you will wish to have the last word because your ego demands it, so feel free canim   Then...go get some lovely sunshine eh?  It´s good for the brain!

PS.  If we follow YOUR logic, then actually you interupted a discussion between Tami and Melek - are you obsessed with him?

Sorry AE

But you are getting increasingly repeatative and boring..

I said you can not show me anything about what you are alleging and you ARE UNABLE TO SHOW..

That is good for me.

That is the bottom line..

And the argument is closed..  

PS.  If we follow YOUR logic, then actually you interupted a discussion between Tami and Melek - are you obsessed with him?

I did not have any intentions of joining this type ´you christian bitc..s, here is what you are, how bigot you are ..your mothers were bigots as well as your dogs, and you mensturating blockheads etc´ type of argument..

But definitely there was a referance to me...My name was mentioned in an untrue and  a bad way..I was just replying..

And I would rather to be obsessed with Melek than Tami..

 No problem sweetie - when I have time to plough through your dross, will happily post my findings I only have to go as far back as Ramadan in Turkey thread to find your bigotry (note spelling)

Going?

Your shift is over?  

 Yes sorry canim - I know you will miss me but I am reluctant to converse with you unless I am paid for my time!

My working day is over now so I am afraid that is it

It seems like I should be paying you " NOT to converse with me" as it were..

 Suits me just fine

so that means the average comment of the Turks would not involve introducing  special id`s for non-muslims, or labeling them with christian patches because I`ve never made such comments. and there is actually no need for you to define a resemblance between the bigots in the video and the others, because you`re just one of them (not even the Turkish version or something).

 you`re so thick skulled that you are not even able to get what my post said in a definite context.  I just referred to the survey you had posted to point out the western hypocrisy. when you posted that survey I didn`t come and attack you I didn`t even post anything under that thread or care about it, I didn`t accuse you of spreading anti-Turkish hatred propaganda, but when I post a video exposing the christian bigotry, see how I`m attacked by the christian bigots and their puppets. This is exactly your kind of democracy, democracy just for yourself.

I`m not making a judgement, I`m talking about an objective observation. The ethical aspect of Americans`s hating muslims is not my concern.

by the way, keep your personality assesment skills for yourself.

That made me laugh out loud.

Wow, you do have a sense of humor. Who would have thought!?

And by the way, don´t tell me what to do, as long as I´m within guidelines I´ll post whatever I want.

According to a new Gallup poll, 39% of Americans believe that the government should force Muslims to carry a special form of I.D.

http://jdallen.org/politics/2-out-of-5-americans-believe-muslims-should-carry-special-id/

that seems like a very objective observation to me. you have doubts?

now that`s the reason why I told you to keep your personality assesment skills for yourself, because you embarass yourself.

It´s hard to tell how objective the poll was as the link to the actual poll comes up empty. I couldn´t even find it on the Gallup Poll site. Must be quite outdated.

And again, it´s hard to conclude that ALL Americans HATE Muslims where you come up with 39% ESTIMATE based on a poll. Not to mention that the question had nothing to do with hate. That´s what I mean by YOUR lack of objectivity. You take something and twist it to fit your agenda.

By the way 39% is not all, not even half, not even the majority. I thought you might want to know.

Speaking of embarassing onself, you would know, being an expert at it.

I would not object him if he embaressed himself ONLY but ...

why don`t you prove us that I`ve said "ALL Americans hate muslims". go ahead and look through all the pages. let`s see if you will be able to find it.

speaking of embarassing yourself, you`re making a show out of it now.

You know what, you´re right, you didn´t say it in this thread (neither did I state that you said it by the way). I take the "ALL" back. I´m not going to go thru all of your posts to check if you said it before, if you didn´t say it, then I´m sure you´ve implied it many a times. And certainly that seems to be the impression you give out. Which, if it isn´t your actual opinion, is very pathetic indeed.

Who´s the main actor of the show is not for me to decide. I´m sure many members share my sentiments even if I don´t go about making my point in the most effective way. 

 I think it should be required that everyone here in the U.S. have proper id.  Not only Muslims but Arabs, Mexicans etc..I don´t know why Muslims would be special though...

You don´t know why? Because Tami thinks that all Americans think that all Muslims are terrorists.  

I cannot believe that you are jumping on this bandwagon!!!

Cool down. This is just a comedy show meant for laughing. It is so obvious that they searched for the right people, asked them the right questions and helped them a bit to get to the point when necessary. Grab a mike an stop people in Istanbul and ask them carefully selected questions and you will get similar answers.

Just ask them what they think about the Jews or the US. They would sound perfectly anti-semitist or anti-American (strangely you can´t be one unless you are also the other), the same guy who answered the question might be doing business with a Jew or American citizen quite happily. Red necks are easy to fool. You can turn them into anything you want by guiding their thoughts.

 Funny - I was just thinking the same about you

See..

This is happening again!!!

You act like Johnny English!!

He knows no fear. He knows no danger.

But he knows nothing either!!!!

When I say to you ´look boy..you are embarrassing yourself and then Turks all over the world and my beloved Turkey´ you get upset and cross..

When you are trying to find the American bigotry against Muslims in talk shows or in surveys conducted among the thick Americans, you are jumping up and down as if you have managed to discover an new precious unknown element in chemistry.

That is embarrassing!!!

Of course there is bigotry and many of Americans will accept that and they will make jokes out of them..

The problem is our own bigotry and the attitude you or people like you  showing when you are confronted with it..

You still think that there is an anti Turkish campaign for example..

HOW BLOODY  embarrassing is that..

This itself is bigotry at the highest scale..

And also when I say that you know nothing,  you  get upset..

But you really have no idea of what is going on around you!!

You have no idea for example on the soil we are living,what we did to non-Muslims..

That is embarrassing not to know that what we have done to Greeks for example!!

What we have done to Armenians for example..Do you know how carefully WE recorded who they were and what they  possessed?

Look at the way you yourself look at the Armenians for example.. I still remember your horrible links regarding Armenians..

How insulting to a handful of Armenians living in Turkey as Turkish citizens!!!!

Just 3 years ago we slit some  throats of some guys  because they were Christians..

We killed priests very recently..

We demolish churches in our own country..

Many insulting words , idioms about non Muslims still being used..

We killed our own son Hrant Dink for example because he was a Christian and an Armenian..

Almost every party talks about Christian missionaries in Turkey and show them as targets!!..

Our army has been keeping records of non-Muslim Turks for god´s sake!!!

Just recently we learnt that which one of them would be killed if they did not put the Ergenekon guys!!

Most of people in Turkey are still  suspicious about retired Brits buying property in Marmaris..

Well sorry but before going and rescuing Muslims in USA, protect your own citizens and people living in our soils first!!

If you have nothing new to say, refer to my previous posts as a response. I`m not gonna explain it to you over and over again. and unless you can come up with a new argument stay out of the debate. talking much doesn`t make you more right, in fact we call it "mouth diarrhea" in Turkish. as I said before I`m not interested in "word salad".

I dont think you said anything at all!!

Stop further humiliation boy..

please!!  

You call it whatever you like..

But It is just a hard kick !!!! 

Canim, maybe you should stay away from making your subtle, but nasty digs at people who have done nothing to you. You never know who you will want to be friends with again in the future, and some people may not be as forgiving as others for your nasty comments about them, that you make probably mostly for your amusement.

 Canim thank you for your "wise words" of unsolicited advice.  However, I really think you should try to be less biased when reading posts - I see no such comment from you to theHandsom (YET AGAIN!)

Incidently, how is "your friend" nasty?  It is the truth!

A piece of unsolicited advice for you Catwoman.  Just have a little read of theH´s posts in this thread and tell me why they are more acceptable than mine or those of mhsn supertitiz?  Are they less rude?  Are they less personal?

The fact is that he is probably even worse, and posts them more frequently, but because he holds such liberal views, posts a few politically correct comments about women and remains firm friends of moderators, you are blind to any faults.  As an Admin, your words of encouragement to him together with sarcasm or "advice" to anyone who dares to disagree with his man, are frankly biased and not condusive to balanced discussions on this site. 

You are "the queen of  lala land AE"!!! 

Don´t mention it canim, it´s really just a friendly advice. And... maybe you just cannot see my objectivity and from your angle that´s bias.. but that´s ok, nobody is perfect. 

As far as theHandsom goes -- maybe I´ve never been too much of friends with him to have a reason to be pissed with him now. But you really make me wonder what he´s done to you to shift your waves by 180 degrees!

is it only theH? how about catwoman herself? Do you know that she has right to call some particular members "asshole" on the forum? the best part is she can get away with it.

 This is low, even by your standards...

Canim, your advice is greatly appreciated.   But you know, the AE I know would not make such ridiculous assumptions about these ridiculous friendships you keep mentioning, and about what I´m blind to or not. You are flattering theHandsom by keeping on mentioning that I am sarcastic to those who disagree with him, and also insulting to my intelligence of course... which again is not what I would have expected from you!

really?... look who´s talking.

 My assumptions are ridiculous?  Check your posts and find one where you are criticising theH for rudeness or "nasty" comments? 

Whilst having no wish to "flatter" thehandsom, in the absence of any other evidence, we can only judge you by your posts - and they speak for themselves.   

As to "ridiculous friendships" - this is perfectly true and no inuendo is involved.  I am sure LIR would accept that she is friends with theH - why is that such an outrageous comment?

Let´s ask her then and see if she found your mentions of her offensive not. If she says no, then I will completely apologize to you.

I have had many pms from the admins being critical of my posts..

So what? Why is this to be mentioned in publics? 

I dont remember how many pms I had from cat she was asking me not to reply to certain posts..

But so what? why do you need to know this?

Do not worry about the friendship..I have many friends here and there.. So what? 

Oh my god - you just get BETTER and BETTER!

You are losing it canim..

do you think the time is soon ?

Anyway....I have enjoyed my brief visit to TheHandsom Class

Maybe see you again soon...

ha ha

I knew it  

 And please...do not embarass me by going into such a LONG period of mourning for me this time - you were soooooooooo missed during your absense.  Look forward to sparring with you again SOON

I wish you stayed..Bye AE 

ps..you lasted only 10 days this time

 It was never going to be permanent canim - I didn´t come back for fun this time, just to enjoy a brief splendor in The Handsom Class

I myself came back 15 days ago only..you are fully wrong..

Why don´t you discuss this through PM´s. You have known one another long enough. I am sure it is nothing that can´t  be solved with a little bit tolerance.

Well I tried pms as a last ditch..But it did not work..

I have friends on TC - one of them is thehandsom - I didn´t know there was a process we have to go through to approve who we are friends with  

Oh - and btw - this doesn´t mean I agree with everything he posts! 

 I don´t believe anyone was saying you needed approval - the question was...why were you so insulted at being called a friend of his?  

Did I say I was insulted??  

 Well CW rather implied that you WERE insulted yes.   We are waiting for your reply so that she can apologise to me

hahah, you evil!!!

LIR, you brutus!!

 Job done

Dear AE, my sincere apologiez!

Well sorry you had to wait for a reply, but I´ve been out with friends!  I think CW was just querying the relevance of my being ´friends´ with ´thehandsom´  and what relevance it had to the post.

Not Brutus CW - because though it wasn´t insulting it was irrelevant!

 Glad we can part on good terms   See you again soon (if I decide to rake your leaves again)

I´ll probably sound a bit sexist but what are you women talking about? I read the last few messages and couldn´t understand where the dialogue is going....

 AE if you are raking kitty´s leaves that does not leave you much time to rake mine!!!!!!!!! 

Trust me - don´t bother trying to figure it out!

As always canim, you are always welcome here as far as I am concerned.

She promised me..She will come back

I take your word for it

 Vineyards - this is the last sane comment on this forum...Thanks!