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Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 06:00 pm

Choice of European council president seen as move to block Turkish accession to EU

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/20/eu-president-turkey-reaction

2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 07:12 pm

I don´t know anything about this person, so is he really against Turkish membership? I really hate the way the EU is playing wiht Turkey!

3.       Trudy
7887 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 07:21 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

I don´t know anything about this person, so is he really against Turkish membership? I really hate the way the EU is playing wiht Turkey!

 

Herman van Rompuy is a Belgium Christian politician with (understatement in my opinion!) old fashioned views. 

 

About Turkey and the EU he said:

 

In 2004, he stated "An enlargement [of the EU] with Turkey is not in any way comparable with previous enlargement waves. Turkey is not Europe and will never be Europe." He continued"But it´s a matter of fact that the universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are also the fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey."

 

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Edited (11/21/2009) by Trudy [Add source.]

4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 07:26 pm

So he´s focusing on Christianity vs Islam, not on some actually real issues? Like 80 million of population of a rather poor country and it´s effect on the EU? That is just sick..

5.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 09:34 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

But it´s a matter of fact that the universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are also the fundamental values of Christianity,

 

 Yeah. We Europeans are all Christians lol

 

 

And since when does ´universal´ mean ´everyone but the muslims´ ?

 

Ridiculous.

6.       Trudy
7887 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 09:50 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 Yeah. We Europeans are all Christians lol

 

 

And since when does ´universal´ mean ´everyone but the muslims´ ?

 

Ridiculous.

 

My idea. Like I said: he´s old fashioned. (At least.)

7.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 10:25 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

My idea. Like I said: he´s old fashioned. (At least.)

 

Bize Avrupalılar hep laik derler. Oysa adamlar hrıstiyanız hristiyanız diye bas bas bağırıyorlar. Türkiye´de bi partinin adı Müslüman ... Partisi olsa , şeriat geldi , laiklik elden gidiyor diye kişnerler

 

oysa şimdi öğreniyorum ki meğer Avrupa´da Hristiyan Demokratlar diye parti ismi bile varmış .

 

Ay siz de bozmaz o laikliği biz de bozar ...

8.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 10:47 pm

 

Quoting Turkish-Teacher

 

 

Bize Avrupalılar hep laik derler. Oysa adamlar hrıstiyanız hristiyanız diye bas bas bağırıyorlar. Türkiye´de bi partinin adı Müslüman ... Partisi olsa , şeriat geldi , laiklik elden gidiyor diye kişnerler

 

oysa şimdi öğreniyorum ki meğer Avrupa´da Hristiyan Demokratlar diye parti ismi bile varmış .

 

Ay siz de bozmaz o laikliği biz de bozar ...

 

Would you please post in English in the main forum? As you know, most people don´t know Turkish here. Thank you.

9.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 10:51 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Would you please post in English in the main forum? As you know, most people don´t know Turkish here. Thank you.

 

Yes, thank you

10.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 11:11 pm

 

Quoting Turkish-Teacher

 

 

Bize Avrupalılar hep laik derler. Oysa adamlar hrıstiyanız hristiyanız diye bas bas bağırıyorlar. Türkiye´de bi partinin adı Müslüman ... Partisi olsa , şeriat geldi , laiklik elden gidiyor diye kişnerler

 

oysa şimdi öğreniyorum ki meğer Avrupa´da Hristiyan Demokratlar diye parti ismi bile varmış .

 

Ay siz de bozmaz o laikliği biz de bozar ...

 

 Though I agree with most of your post, you should know something about the Christian Democrats in Europe (actually Ill give example of Netherlands) and also about the fear of AKP in Europe. Because Christian Democrats arent as orthodox as they sound, and fear of AKP first arouse in Turkey and then came to Europe.

 

Most strict Christians are against abortion and euthanasia. You would think that a party that calls itself Christian is tehrefore against these things, or at least would want them to become illegal for the Christians you´d think they represent. Neither is the case. This party acknowledges the necessity for abortion and euthanasia and has no wish to make it illegal. The most I ever noticed about them being Christian is their emphasis on family values and their name (for me a reason not to vote for them). Most of such parties have their names as a heritage from a time the Netherlands was divided among ideological/religious lines. Nowadays, they dont carry a strong religious signature. 

 

However, a party called SGP in the Netherlands, calling themselves Reformed christians, they want theocracy in the Netherlands and also don´t let women take seats in the party. I don´t think they should be forbidden (after all its a theocracy and if people vote for them, democracy is the keyword), but their women-policy should be forbidden since it goes against article one of our constitution about discrimination.

 

The mistake you make in your argument is blaming Europe for being scared of AKP and Islamization. Have you ever spoken to your fellow countrymen? So far all TUrkish people I speak with are anxious about the future of Turkey as long as AKP remains in power. This fear is not a sound Europe´s giving. It is one that first rose in Turkey and then came to Europe (FYI: many western countries think Fethullah Gülen is a great intellectual, so there was no reason for European countries to be afraid of an islamic party that identifies itself with the so called ´moderate teachings´ such as those of Gülen. After seeing reactions in Turkey it became clear Turkish nation itself is in fear of the rise of an islamic party. It wasn´t Europe who went on the streets with red flags against Abdullah Gül. Nor did Europe make cartoons about which headscarf was the most suitable for his wife (the cartoon with the Playboy bunny ears ).

 

But I do wonder where the EU leaders get this ´Islam vs Christendom´ thing from. I have never heard of people thinking about it that way, and besides the Bible Belt, in the Netherlands it is not that easy to find people of this generation who still identify themselves strongly with Christianity. This insanity should stop.

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