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10.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 08:53 pm

büyükçe = quite big(smaller than big)

 

küçük >büyükçe > büyük >çok büyük

 

small > quite big > big > very big

 

 

ETT

 

 

Quoting petra.bee

I need some help with this grammar. If you use the -ca / -ce /-ça / -çe suffix with an adjective, how does it change its meaning?

 

For example what is the difference between the following (hopefully gramatically correct) sentences:

 

1. Evimizin küçükçe bir bahcesi ve bahçemizde büyükçe bir çınar ağacı var.

 

2. Evimizin küçük bir bahcesi ve bahçemizde büyük bir çınar ağacı var.

 

Any help appreciated.

 

 

 

11.       turkishcobra
607 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 09:07 pm

 

Quoting Turkish-Teacher

büyükçe = quite big(smaller than big)

 

küçük >büyükçe > büyük >çok büyük

 

small > quite big > big > very big

 

 

ETT

 

 

 

 

 

 

"büyükçe" will be between "büyük" and "çok büyük"

 

 

thx

turkishcobra //

 

12.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 09:36 pm

olmaz. büyükçe demek;  büyük değil , büyüğe yakın demek

 

kobra kendine gel, beni hasta etme

 

büyükçe means quite big (=to some degree, fairly)

 

"büyük" is bigger than "büyükçe"

 

for more info: www.tdk.gov.tr (check the definition of büyükçe)

 

 

Expert Turkish Tutor

Türk Dil Kurumu Yabancı Sözlere Karşılık Komisyonu Üyesi

 

Fotokopi = tıpkı basım

Bunun beş tane fotokopi çektirmek  istiyorum >> Bundan beş tane tıpkı bastırmak istiyorum.

Quoting turkishcobra

 

 

 

"büyükçe" will be between "büyük" and "çok büyük"

 

 

thx

turkishcobra //

 

 

 

13.       turkishcobra
607 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 09:43 pm

 

 

Quite big : Oldukça/bayağı büyük.

 

How could it be smaller than big???

 

Bana eşyaları sığdırmak için büyükçe bir ev lazım: I need a bigger home for this furnitures.

 

 

 

 

14.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 09:49 pm

))

no

 

quite big sometimes means (esp. in British English) fairly or to a small extent

 

Türk Dil Kurumu´nun hazırlamış olduğu büyük sözlükte diyor ki :

 

büyükçe      sf. 1. Biraz büyük: �Aynı kamarayı paylaşacaksınız, büyükçedir, ikinize de yeter.

 

biraz büyük ama büyük değil büyüğe yakın, büyükçe.

 

Az söyledim dikkat ettim, kalbini kırmamaya


Bilirim üzülürsün, yoksa sözüm çoktur sana.

 

ETT

Quoting turkishcobra

 

 

Quite big : Oldukça/bayağı büyük.

 

How could it be smaller than big???

 

Bana eşyaları sığdırmak için büyükçe bir ev lazım: I need a bigger home for this furnitures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

15.       turkishcobra
607 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 09:55 pm

 

Maybe this is the new meaning of this structure. Because I have never seen anyone using it for "smaller than big" meaning.

 

I have generally heard people using to mean "oldukça/bayağı büyük". Well - at first glance, whoever you ask, people are going to respond you like the way I do. Because, among the people, this structure is known like that.

 

And, pleased that you have been promoted for the membership of Respond for Foreigner Words Commission of Turkish Language Institution

 

 

you always deserved it, believe me

16.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 10:00 pm

Thank you very much Turkish Cobra. I do appreciate your work a lot.

 

Uzman Türkçe Okutmanı

 

logo > imlek

prospektüs >  tanıtmalık

 

Türkçesi varken

Quoting turkishcobra

 

Maybe this is the new meaning of this structure. Because I have never seen anyone using it for "smaller than big" meaning.

 

I have generally heard people using to mean "oldukça/bayağı büyük". Well - at first glance, whoever you ask, people are going to respond you like the way I do. Because, among the people, this structure is known like that.

 

And, pleased that you have been promoted for the membership of Respond for Foreigner Words Commission of Turkish Language Institution

 

 

you always deserved it, believe me

 

 

17.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 10:38 pm

No one seems to mention one of its important functions.

 

It makes adverbs with the meaning x-ce =in an x way, in an x state, x-ly

 

sessizce = in a silent way, silently

güzelce = in a beautiful way, beautifully

doğruca = directly

kibarca = gently

başlıca = mainly

hızlıca = quickly

yavaşça = slowly

dikkatlice = in a careful way, carefully

 

etc

 

18.       turkishcobra
607 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 10:41 pm

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

 

 

iyi: good

iyice : pretty good, considerably good. iyice yıka: wash them pretty good.

 

 

 

 

I did it ... even thought I put only one example.

 

 

thx

turkishcobra //



Edited (12/3/2009) by turkishcobra

19.       ally81
461 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 10:55 pm

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

Actually this is a very complicated structure and I will try to explain it item by item.

 

"-ce/-ca/-çe/-ça" suffixes generally add "belonging" meaning when it comes nearby words.


Let´s see:

 

1) Expressing an idea and expressing whom it belongs to:

 

Bence : In my opinion, according to me

Sence : In your opinion, according to you.

Bizce : In our opinion, according to us.

 

2) Belonging to a language:

 

Türkçe : Turkish

İngizilizce : English

Arapça : Arabic

Almanca : German

 

3) We sometimes turn verbs into nouns:

 

düşünmek: to think

düşünce : the thought

 

aldatmak: to cheat

aldatmaca : trick, cheating

 

4) Sometimes we use it for priority and belonging

 

ön: front

önce : before, first one, front one

 

böyle: so, thus, in this way

böylece : belonging to this way...

 

5) To cement the meaning of adjective

 

küçük ev: small home

küçükçe ev: considerably, pretty small home

 

uzun yol: long way

uzunca yol: considerably, pretty long way.

 

iyi: good

iyice : pretty good, considerably good. iyice yıka: wash them pretty good.

 

 

6) When talking about something that is done by a group

 

Sınıf: class

Sınıfça : by the class, doing something with whole the class

 

 

 

These are what I could remember for now. If remember another meanings or different kind of usages of this structure, I am going to add here.

 

thx

turkishcobra //

 

 

 

 

Thanks so much turkishcobra for that very clear and detailed explanation, I´ve come across words with this suffix a fair bit, and I could almost work out what it meant by looking at the meaning of the word from vocabulary lists, but I couldn´t really make sense of it properly, it seemed to vary from word to word, now I see that does give various meanings, I understand it so much better now, thanks a million Smile

 

20.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 09:18 am

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

 

 

iyi: good

iyice : pretty good, considerably good. iyice yıka: wash them pretty good.

 

 

 

 

I did it ... even thought I put only one example.

 

 

thx

turkishcobra //

 

It was not clear to me from your English text. While I was referrig to the manners yours means something like "wash them more than normally you should".

 

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