There was a king. He had four wives.

The fourth he loved more than any others. He gave her anything she wanted. Best clothes, best perfumes.

He also loved the third. He was proud of her. He showed her to the guests, but feared that one day she will go with one of them.

The second wife he loved and trusted. She was always there ready to consult the issues of business.

The first wife loved him faithfully. Together with her he built his kingdom. However, he didnt love her much. She was not cared and looked after.

One day the king fell ill. On the death bed he called for his wives.

He asked his fourth wife if she would come with him when he dies. Her answer: "You must be joking!". She broke his heart.

Third wife: "Sorry, I will have to carry on. When you die I will marry again".

Second wife: "I regret to say I wont come, but I promise I give you a big funeral".

First wife: "I will come with you. I will be with you wherever you go"

The king looked at her and felt shamed. She looked tired, ill, exhausted. He cried bitterly.

The morale. Everyone of us have four wives.

Fourth wife is your body, it will leave you immediately after you die.

Third wife is your wealth, it will go to someone else.

Second is your family, it will give you a funeral.

First is your soul, will go with you.

There was a Jew. All he had was a herd of donkeys. When he was dying he wanted to share his wealth between his three sons. He deicded that half of donkeys will go to first son. Quarter of them will go to the second son. and one sixth will to the last. and if anything left should be given to God.

After his death the sons tried to divide 11 donkeys.

1) 11:2=5.5 Impossible!

2) 11:4=2.75 Ridiculous!

3) 11:6=1.83 Almost two donkeys

4) and 0.92 to God.

After a long arguemnt brothers decided to go to Rabbi. He had a solution. He said: go and take my fat donkey that is I dont care for at all. If you think you dont need it anymore send it back.

1) 12:2=6 Fantastic!

2) 12:4=3 Fair

3) 12:6=2 two whole donkeys.

6+3+2= 11 Just like at the beginning.

They sent rabbi´s doneky back to rabbi.

The morales? God´s grace work like that donkey. Unexpected solution, free and surprising, not the way we want, not the way we make up. Its like rabbi´s donkey comes and goes like a wind between the doors. At the same time unites quarreled brothers.

King was needing a guard for his tower. His advert was saying this: A brave man who will protect my tower in my absence throughout the winter will receive a big reward.

A young brave man took the challenge and became a guard. King told him that no one was allowed into the tower.

Days passed, long and boring. Passers-by appearing on the horizon and disappepearing. Some knocked on the gates. The guard didnt let anyone in. He thought this was easy. The reward he surely will receive.

One day he heard a scratching and a voice begging: please, let me in! The guard answered: no man is allowed into here. The voice under the gate said: but Im no man, Im a little lizard. please, let me in, you dont have to open the gates, all I need is a little space to sneak in, and I will stay only for 10 minutes.

He let the lizard in. They had a nice chat. After ten minutes the guard said: are you alreday leaving now? - Yes, the lizzard answered. I have to go, I will come tomorrow.

Next day, she came for 15 mins. Again a nice pleasant chat. After she left he was missing her.

Third day she came for half an hour. An interesting disccusion they had. She had to go. It was winter it was cold. And the lizard begged the gurad if he would let her stay a night. He agreed.

He had nightmares, when he woke up early in the morning he saw the lizzard grew into a big creature. He wanted to kill it, but he realized he left his armoury next to the fire where the lizzard was sleeping. The lizzard woke up too and attacked the guard. He ran towards the gates and off he shut off wide open gates where bumped into the king.

King asked: what are you doing? Why the gates are open? Is it how you guard my tower?

The guard answered: Theres a monster in the tower!

King was a big strong man who took the sword and kiiled the monstrous creature. Then he gave orders to his servants to clean up. Turned to the guard and said: as for you, you lost your reward.

End of story!

A small town rich Jew was saying:

From time to time I visit my doctor

Doctor must carry on

Then I go to my Pharmacist

Pharmacist must carry on

Then I pour the medicine down sewage

I too must carry on!

A cat of one Guru

Every evening when a Guru had a ritual service his cat was around there disturbing the service, so he decided to tie him up just for the time of service.

Long time after guru´s death the cat was still tied up during the service. The cat died, they brought another and continued to do so.

Centuries later the disciples wrote books about the importance of cat for the service being held properly.

Good luck or bad luck?

A poor Chinese farmer was plowing his farm using his old horse. One day that horse ran away. When his neighbour was expressing his compassion the farmer said: bad luck or good luck, who knows?

A week later the oldie was back together with bunch of wild horses. The neighbour rushed to congratulate. The farmer says: good luck or bad luck who knows?

Then his son tried to tame and mount on a wild horse and fell off  and broke his leg.

Everyone thought it was a bad luck. To which he responded again: bad or good who knows?

A few weeks later soldiers visited the village to collect young men for the army. His son was no good for this. good or bad luck?

4th dimension is an eternity or is a part of eternity. in eternity you experience past present and future at the same time. in eternity you are not limited by time, space and matter. and this thing doesnt happen in this life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaKzQNlMFw

Russian airplane hijacked.

Monday. We hijacked the plane in Moscow. We demand milllions of dollars. Our destination is Mexico.

Tuesday. Waiting for the reaction of Russian government. We drink with pilots. Passengers sharing, now they joined pilots.

Wednesday. Mediator is here. We drink together. Mediator asks to free half of the passengers. We freed, why not?

Thursday. Passengers are back with more vodka. Drinking till the morning. We let another half of passengers and pilots.

Friday. They are back. They came with friends, partying till midday.

Saturday. Spetsnaz dropped in, more vodka, more party till Monday.

Monday. More people in: militia, firemen, even navy.

Tuesday. We have no strength. We want to give up. Spetsnaz disagrees. Families from Habarovsk with a visit to pilots.

Wednesday. We beg passengers to let us go. They agree under one condition: more vodka!

Kindergarten

A child asks a carer to help with wellies. with much effort the carer finally puts them on poor child´s feet (the wellies were one size smaller) she sits on a bench to breath in some air, when a child says: you put them on wrong way, left to right. She takes them off and puts the right way, again with all her strength. When she finished the child says: in fact these wellies arent mine. The carer is not happy but takes them off. Child continues: they belong to my younger brother, but mum says to put them on anyway. The carer is blue out of anger, after another hard attempt the welllies are on. She also helps the child to put her coat and hat on and asks: where are your gloves? The child: in my wellies.

An Apple pie recipe (only for men)

1´ Take 10 eggs from the fridge, place 7 remaining eggs on the table, clean the floor, next time be careful!
2´ Take a big bowl and break eggs in to it, break eggs on the edge of a bowl.
3´ Clean the floor, please be more careful! We have 5 eggs in the bowl.
4´ Take a mixer and attach the wings and start whipping eggs.
5´ Attach the wings one more time but attach them to the end until you hear a click. Start whipping.
6´ Wash you face, hands and back. There are now 2 eggs in the bowl, exactly what we need for a pie.
7´ Cover the walls and ceilling with newspapers and the furniture with plastic bags. Now we start adding flour.
8´ Pour 200gr into a glass and collect the rest 800gr back into the container.
9´ Make sure the walls and the ceiling are covered properly, start mixing.
10´ Have a quick shower!
11´ Take 4 apples and a sharp knife.
12´ Go to the pharmacist and get a first aid kit. When you return start peeling the apples. Apply the first aid kit on your thumb!
13´ Chop apples into cubes, remember that we need 2 apples, therefore dont eat more than a half an apple! Treat all your fingers now with the aid kit.

14´ The only surviving apple chopped into pieces chuck into the bawl with a pastry, collect the rest from the floor and wash (dont eat them, put back into the bowl).

15´ Mix everything. wash the fridge!
16´ Pour the mixture into the baking tray, put into the oven.
17´ An hour later if theres still not result, turn the oven on.
18´ After you wake up dont call for a fire brigade, just open the windows and the oven.

How many forum users do we need to replace a light bulb?
1 user to say there is a need to replace a bulb.
14 users who will share similar experiences of replacing the bulbs and write how else they would have done it.
7 users who will warn of dangers during the replacement.
1 user who will take the thread to the "Enlightment" forum.
2 users who will start arguing and move it to the section of "Electrics"
7 users who will point the spelling and grammar errors in the posts of "bulb".
5 users who will get offended by those who noticed errors
3 users who will correct the errors
6 users who will argue over if the word must be spellt "bulb" or "bolb" and another 6 who will call them stupid.
2 proffessional electrics who will inform everyone that it is actually called a "lamp"
15 all-knowing users who will state that they know the subject and it should be called a "bulb"
19 users who will write that this forum is not for "bulbs" and it should be moved to the section of bulbs.
11 users who will defend the topic stating that everyone uses the bulb thus the topic is relevant
36 users who will debate over the best methods, where to buy the bulbs of which brand and which brand bulbs are faulty.
7 users who will post links to see the illustrated various types of bulbs.
4 users who will write that those links dont work and send other links.
13 users who will quote several posts signing under "Me too / +1 / Agree".
5 users who will write that they are leaving because they cant stand the controversions arounf bulbs any more.
4 users who will write "we had such topics before".
13 users who will write "google" before asking questions about bulbs.
1 user who will hijack and ask about how to replace the tyres.
1 user who will reply to the question a year later and start the whole thing again.

What rubbish!  Nobody on this site remotely resembles the users you have described above. 

This is an OUTRAGE!  It´s just insulting to light bulbs!  Don´t you know that there are thousands of light bulbs around the world who never get their moment to light up a room?  They are systematically broken before they even make it out of the box!  Your such a simpleton, lemon!  

Exactly! Esp. me

Bread is more useful than poetry - Aragon

Truth is stranger than fiction!  (not sure who said this but it is sooooo true!)

What comes to my mind is Bad Religion

"Stranger Than Fiction"

a febrile shocking violent smack
the children are hoping for a heart attack,
tonight the windows are watching,
the streets all conspire,
and the lamppost can´t stop crying,
if I could fly high above the world,
would I see a bunch of living dots spell the world stupidity?,
or would I see hungry lover homicides,
loving brother suicides,
and olly olly oxenfrees,
who pickaside and hide

the world is scratching at my door,
my morning papers got the scores,
the human interest stories, and the obituary

cockroach naps and rattling traps,
how many devils can you fit upon a match head?,
caringosity killed the Kerouac cat,
sometimes truth is stranger than fiction

in my alley around the corner,
there´s a wino with feathered shoulders,
and a spirit giving head for crack and he´ll never want it back,
there´s a little kid and his family eating crackers like thanksgiving
and a pack of wild desperados scornful of living

the worlds is scratching at my door....

cradle for a cat, Wolfe looks back,
how many angels can you fit upon a match?
I want to know why Hemingway cracked,
sometimes truth is stranger than fiction

life is the crummiest book I ever read,
there isn´t a hook, just a lot of cheap shots,
pictures to shock and characters an amateur would never dream up

On the thread "Two pennies for your thoughts" people needed to lighten up, they are fed up with the true image of God.

This book is for Barba and her friends with pink glasses. God is going to destroy everything and YOUR love the planet earth is vain.

The book of Zephania

 ¹ The word of the LORD that came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, during the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah:

Warning of Coming Destruction

 ² "I will sweep away everything
       from the face of the earth,"
       declares the LORD.

 ³ "I will sweep away both men and animals;
       I will sweep away the birds of the air
       and the fish of the sea.
       The wicked will have only heaps of rubble ^[a]
       when I cut off man from the face of the earth,"
       declares the LORD.

Against Judah

 ⁴ "I will stretch out my hand against Judah
       and against all who live in Jerusalem.
       I will cut off from this place every remnant of Baal,
       the names of the pagan and the idolatrous priests-

 ⁵ those who bow down on the roofs
       to worship the starry host,
       those who bow down and swear by the LORD
       and who also swear by Molech, ^[b]

 ⁶ those who turn back from following the LORD
       and neither seek the LORD nor inquire of him.

 ⁷ Be silent before the Sovereign LORD,
       for the day of the LORD is near.
       The LORD has prepared a sacrifice;
       he has consecrated those he has invited.

 ⁸ On the day of the LORD´s sacrifice
       I will punish the princes
       and the king´s sons
       and all those clad
       in foreign clothes.

 ⁹ On that day I will punish
       all who avoid stepping on the threshold, ^[c]
       who fill the temple of their gods
       with violence and deceit.

 ¹⁰ "On that day," declares the LORD,
       "a cry will go up from the Fish Gate,
       wailing from the New Quarter,
       and a loud crash from the hills.

 ¹¹ Wail, you who live in the market district ^[d] ;
       all your merchants will be wiped out,
       all who trade with ^[e] silver will be ruined.

 ¹² At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps
       and punish those who are complacent,
       who are like wine left on its dregs,
       who think, ´The LORD will do nothing,
       either good or bad.´

 ¹³ Their wealth will be plundered,
       their houses demolished.
       They will build houses
       but not live in them;
       they will plant vineyards
       but not drink the wine. (God constantly punishes Israel)

The Great Day of the Lord

 ¹⁴ "The great day of the LORD is near—
       near and coming quickly.
       Listen! The cry on the day of the LORD will be bitter,
       the shouting of the warrior there.

 ¹⁵ That day will be a day of wrath,
       a day of distress and anguish,
       a day of trouble and ruin,
       a day of darkness and gloom,
       a day of clouds and blackness,

 ¹⁶ a day of trumpet and battle cry
       against the fortified cities
       and against the corner towers.

 ¹⁷ I will bring distress on the people
       and they will walk like blind men,
       because they have sinned against the LORD.
       Their blood will be poured out like dust
       and their entrails like filth.

 ¹⁸ Neither their silver nor their gold
       will be able to save them
       on the day of the LORD´s wrath.
       In the fire of his jealousy
       the whole world will be consumed,
       for he will make a sudden end
       of all who live in the earth."

¹ Gather together, gather together,
       O shameful nation,

 ² before the appointed time arrives
       and that day sweeps on like chaff,
       before the fierce anger of the LORD comes upon you,
       before the day of the LORD´s wrath comes upon you.

 ³ Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land,
       you who do what he commands.
       Seek righteousness, seek humility;
       perhaps you will be sheltered
       on the day of the LORD´s anger.

Against Philistia

 ⁴ Gaza will be abandoned
       and Ashkelon left in ruins.
       At midday Ashdod will be emptied
       and Ekron uprooted.

 ⁵ Woe to you who live by the sea,
       O Kerethite people;
       the word of the LORD is against you,
       O Canaan, land of the Philistines.
       "I will destroy you,
       and none will be left."

 ⁶ The land by the sea, where the Kerethites ^[a] dwell,
       will be a place for shepherds and sheep pens.

 ⁷ It will belong to the remnant of the house of Judah;
       there they will find pasture.
       In the evening they will lie down
       in the houses of Ashkelon.
       The LORD their God will care for them;
       he will restore their fortunes. ^[b]

Against Moab and Ammon

 ⁸ "I have heard the insults of Moab
       and the taunts of the Ammonites,
       who insulted my people
       and made threats against their land.

 ⁹ Therefore, as surely as I live,"
       declares the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel,
       "surely Moab will become like Sodom,
       the Ammonites like Gomorrah—
       a place of weeds and salt pits,
       a wasteland forever.
       The remnant of my people will plunder them;
       the survivors of my nation will inherit their land."

 ¹⁰ This is what they will get in return for their pride,
       for insulting and mocking the people of the LORD Almighty.

 ¹¹ The LORD will be awesome to them
       when he destroys all the gods of the land.
       The nations on every shore will worship him,
       every one in its own land.

Against Cush

 ¹² "You too, O Cushites, ^[c]
       will be slain by my sword."

Against Assyria

 ¹³ He will stretch out his hand against the north
       and destroy Assyria,
       leaving Nineveh utterly desolate
       and dry as the desert.

 ¹⁴ Flocks and herds will lie down there,
       creatures of every kind.
       The desert owl and the screech owl
       will roost on her columns.
       Their calls will echo through the windows,
       rubble will be in the doorways,
       the beams of cedar will be exposed.

 ¹⁵ This is the carefree city
       that lived in safety.
       She said to herself,
       "I am, and there is none besides me."
       What a ruin she has become,
       a lair for wild beasts!
       All who pass by her scoff
       and shake their fists.

(and indeed these nations do not exist anymore)

The Future of Jerusalem

 ¹ Woe to the city of oppressors,
       rebellious and defiled!

 ² She obeys no one,
       she accepts no correction.
       She does not trust in the LORD,
       she does not draw near to her God.

 ³ Her officials are roaring lions,
       her rulers are evening wolves,
       who leave nothing for the morning.

 ⁴ Her prophets are arrogant;
       they are treacherous men.
       Her priests profane the sanctuary
       and do violence to the law.

 ⁵ The LORD within her is righteous;
       he does no wrong.
       Morning by morning he dispenses his justice,
       and every new day he does not fail,
       yet the unrighteous know no shame.

 ⁶ "I have cut off nations;
       their strongholds are demolished.
       I have left their streets deserted,
       with no one passing through.
       Their cities are destroyed;
       no one will be left—no one at all.

 ⁷ I said to the city,
       ´Surely you will fear me
       and accept correction!´
       Then her dwelling would not be cut off,
       nor all my punishments come upon her.
       But they were still eager
       to act corruptly in all they did.

 ⁸ Therefore wait for me," declares the LORD,
       "for the day I will stand up to testify. ^[a]
       I have decided to assemble the nations,
       to gather the kingdoms
       and to pour out my wrath on them—
       all my fierce anger.
       The whole world will be consumed
       by the fire of my jealous anger.

 ⁹ "Then will I purify the lips of the peoples,
       that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
       and serve him shoulder to shoulder.

 ¹⁰ From beyond the rivers of Cush ^[b]
       my worshipers, my scattered people,
       will bring me offerings.

 ¹¹ On that day you will not be put to shame
       for all the wrongs you have done to me,
       because I will remove from this city
       those who rejoice in their pride.
       Never again will you be haughty
       on my holy hill.

 ¹² But I will leave within you
       the meek and humble,
       who trust in the name of the LORD.

 ¹³ The remnant of Israel will do no wrong;
       they will speak no lies,
       nor will deceit be found in their mouths.
       They will eat and lie down
       and no one will make them afraid."

 ¹⁴ Sing, O Daughter of Zion;
       shout aloud, O Israel!
       Be glad and rejoice with all your heart,
       O Daughter of Jerusalem!

 ¹⁵ The LORD has taken away your punishment,
       he has turned back your enemy.
       The LORD, the King of Israel, is with you;
       never again will you fear any harm.

 ¹⁶ On that day they will say to Jerusalem,
       "Do not fear, O Zion;
       do not let your hands hang limp.

 ¹⁷ The LORD your God is with you,
       he is mighty to save.
       He will take great delight in you,
       he will quiet you with his love,
       he will rejoice over you with singing."

 ¹⁸ "The sorrows for the appointed feasts
       I will remove from you;
       they are a burden and a reproach to you. ^[c]

 ¹⁹ At that time I will deal
       with all who oppressed you;
       I will rescue the lame
       and gather those who have been scattered.
       I will give them praise and honor
       in every land where they were put to shame.

 ²⁰ At that time I will gather you;
       at that time I will bring you home.
       I will give you honor and praise
       among all the peoples of the earth
       when I restore your fortunes ^[d]
       before your very eyes,"
       says the LORD.

You contradict yourself... All I said is that God can both show mercy, and punish. Then you said God is wrathfull. Then I said again, God also has mercy. Then you said "yes, God has both mercy and wrath", and now you are back on the "only wrath" path. Why? Are you trying to scare me or something? I don´t see the point.

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.  Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother´s eye? How can you say to your brother, ´Let me take the speck out of your eye,´ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother´s eye.  At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin.

So lemon, I believe it is safe for you to take a rest now and have some fun knowing that even Jesus did not want us judging eachother.  I am fairly sure God has got it covered! 

These days my favourite Bible quotes are streaming TC! Sometimes I suspect that I am not really a christian!

I think you should all stop quoting verses from any religion books!!

What is this place? a church or a mosque?

 I am only "fighting fire with fire"...so to speak.   But you are absolutely right!  Can you please remove the speck from my eye and I will remove the plank from yours!!

Does this somehow hurt you, hairy? Why these quotes irritate you? If I start quoting jokes and sex related stuff would it equally irritate you?

What makes you think that God exists only in church or mosque?

Is it because your knowledge is limited there?

I started this thread, and I post things I like.

I do not speak anything racist or discriminative. If you dont like it, just dont follow my posts.

These are quests of life and death, the sense of life. where you come from and where you are heading to.

Barba, you must be right, you know God, sure. I wish you all the best on the wide road to the wide gate. May it stay like this. I am done. I spoke.

It does not hurt me at all.. But it is as irrelevant as Canli´s long/sermon like posts to TC in my view...

Personally? I dont like any of these religious teachings at all.. 

And where I come from and where I am heading to is my own business..

Lisa, what are you gonna do with the rest of the holy book? ignore and have fun? Every single prophet sent by God spoke of mainly wrath and coming punishment. Check that out yourself. None of them said: enjoy, relax.

I understand that I make an impression of self-righteous rebuker. Believe me I am not speaking from me. Jesus never said: I have forgiven you, now go on continue your fun. Jesus is not a joker and never had fun. His messages never contained fun or joke. He constantly and continously taught and rebuked sometimes with love and sometimes with wrath. He was radical and rebuked religious self-rightous jews (who put their faith in their own goodness and kindness). There was no tolerance in his message.

I share my view my thought as I always did before. I am not here to serve you a sermon as I am not a preacher. I am not calling you to convert to religion if you suspect me of.

My life has totally changed, my goals and purpose are not the same anymore.

I understand that you dont like new lemon. She is not fun and cool anymore.

Wherever you come from and heading to is your business. and I have nothing against that.

I just wanted to say that I, too, have the book that inspires me and is my guide in life. I took the liberty of quoting just a tiny bit, so that I can show off as well

"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn´t the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.

And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches.

Many were increasingly of the opinion that they´d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and no one should ever have left the oceans.

And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realised what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it, a terrible, stupid catastrophe occurred, and the idea was lost forever."

/D. Adams, "The Hitchhiker´s Guide to the Universe"

You dont understand me and you will not, because there is a huge gap between me and you. I live and breathe in Grace, a pure gift. You cant buy it, you cant get it by your desire. You will get it when the Lord touches you. Its called Grace. You hate God because your spirit is dead. You seek this life when it is already lost. Whatever you have be it money, knowledge, love, friends, family, believe me you will have it for another 20-30 years. You will not be able to take it with you. Everything will pass away, perish in this world. Everything is destroyable in this world. I tell this not because I am better than you but because I was given a gift of Grace.

I have read it with a great interest to KNOW ´where I am coming from and where I am heading to´

From "utterly insignificant little blue-green planet to unregarded yellow sun"?

Well that sounds more cheerful than the other posts..

Thanks DD

"Nice" story. This world can never be a good and happy place. We humans are no good. We are destructive selfish and mean.

If only life could consist of cheerful stuff!

Ok...I respect your view, lemons, but couldn´t disagree more.  I am officially turning the other cheek. 

I didnt expect a respect. My goal is not to win the discussion. My goal is to share. I better cause you pain than keep it peaceful and pleasant.

I speak as a dying person to dying people, but you behave as if you will never pass away along with your whole you.

At the days of Noah people too lived, married and multiplied, drank and ate, fully enjoyed life until the day of wrath.

Fools say in their hearts that there is no God it is like to say I have no mother I made myself - you dont see because you are walking in darkness.

You are seriously worrying me!!!!

And the wise ones believe in a supreme being, basing on a book that is full of contradictions and is no more scientific than Greek mythology. Fine. If you need your invisible friend just to live in fear, so be it. Enjoy your days of torment, awaiting his revenge. If you´re convinced that an omnipotent supreme being created men just to praise him and never go against him, without knowing, that they´d eventually turn away from him - it´s your choice.

But I think you´re being a bit overly aggressive. People have their right not to share your views. If, at the end of the day it turns out they will be condemned, it´s their thing. If they want to live their lives enjoying the moments they have here, why spoil their fun? Maybe you are wrong...there´s no way to know it until we die

Sometimes I like the way you write. I want to exactly write this way but most of the time cannot going beyond thinking - my last station! Anyway, I did enjoy reading your post in every respect. Thanks!

(Notice I ´liked´ it. )

If you find any contradiction, take it, come with it, lets see it. If you dont have any example then dont say it.

The Bible never claimed to be scientific. Where does it say so?

You, DD, know nothing about my invisible friend, and yet you speak of Him. Strange

I prefer to live in fear than to live a life of ignorance, pretend we are animals going nowhere, pretend we have no souls, no thoughts.

God knew that humans would go against Him, God knew they would fall. Are you reading this?

I think you bit exaggerate that Im agressive. Can you give me an example of my agressive post? Or did you become so sensitive lately?

It is not only God will condemn you, He has already condemned you.

Spoil their fun? Are you joking? Do my posts spoil your fun? Dont you exaggerate now? What, they stopped sleeping and eating because of my posts? stopped having fun?

You see, when you are agressive towards my belief and show your utterly disrespect, its OK. right? And when I poke your anti-theism its suddenly not OK. Suddenly I am agressive.

You constantly judge me via religions when I am not there. You say Bible this and that as if you are smarter than Bible or you could write such book yourself. Everyone speaks of Bible´s contradictions, the net is full of them if you google.

I am telling you, DD, you dont know.

Well, as I summarize it: I´m damned if I believe what lemon says, and I´m damned if I don´t believe what lemon says. Only difference, not believing it will leave some room upon for actually enjoying my life, and the world in all it´s beauty... difficult choice to make...

You see, worrying about other people does not give you a thing, it doesnt change a thing. But worrying about yourself may help you, may change you and your situation.

Do you really think that I am not aware of what you and others think about me? Do you think that I am not aware of what I write and how it looks and sounds like to you and others? Do you think that I didnt know how I would be perceived by you and others? Do you think that I am crazy and lost my mind? Sure I sound to you like a sectarian. Do you think that I dont know your reaction? Do you think that you smarter than me because I dont speak like you?

I raise a subject that everyone avoid to participate in. A subject that nobody is interested in because its too much of challenging and thinking.

You avoid this subject because you dont know a thing. If you knew you wouldnt worry about me.

Dont put me on the level of God. Not lemon says but Bible says. Open your eyes and read it. Its full of wrath that is upon you. Bible says that you are damned if you dont repent.

Fine by me Enjoy your life. I have said my part. I gave you Good News. You rejected - you are damned, going to hell together with every TC member. Do you feel now better? Imagine all your friends and family are damned, so you will not be alone there. Enjoy!

I´m not aggressive towards you, i don´t constantly repeat "You´re damned, you´ll go to hell because I know better than you what god wants" I´m saying that believing is a personal matter and if you choose to believe in a wrathful God whose hobby is killing people, it´s fine. But it doesn´t mean that people who choose not to believe or believe in God that actually likes people are wrong.

I´m not judging you by religions, you said it´s not a religion but faith you have and I accept it. As for the Bible - it´s a book so naturally it doesn´t possess the ability to reason that humans do. It´s a text that has more meaning to some people than to others. Even your fiery debate here with other believers shows that reading the same text can have different interpretations. And here we are at the point where choice shows up again - you choose to focus on the fragments of wrath and anger, while Lis and BM read it differently.

Why wouldn´t I be able to comment on a being whose existence I do not believe? I don´t believe in ghosts either, but I´d gladly talk about it. Or worldwide conspiracies, or wise males (ok, only joking here). If you post your believes on a public forum you need to be aware that people may want to comment on them, not always favourably. The fact that they don´t agree with you does not make them disrespectful. I may not respect your belief but I respect your right to have it and discuss it. Fair enough?

You say yourself you´d rather live in fear than accept being just an animal going to nowhere. Good. I choose the other option and I don´t have a problem with that.

Contradictions in the Bible? Here just to start with.

Actually the funniest part in any discussion with followers of any Holy Text is when they go "the Bible/Qran/Tora" says so. Ok, so it does, now, why would I want to believe something a book says? "Because our prophets said it´s the word of God" - how do you know they´re prophets? "Because the Bible/Qran/Tora" says so"

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One more thing. You´re saying God has already condemned me, but not you. You have been given the gift of Grace. Does it mean that no matter what we do in life, we´re all condemned because God chooses only some of us, like you. I mean, since I don´t believe it means I haven´t been chosen. No matter what, I cannot change because I lack the gift you have. So, in conclusion, God doesn´t want me to be saved because otherwise he´d give me the gift he gave you? now, that sounds a wee bit contradictory, don´t yopu think? Like God is going to punish me for not giving me something Cool!

One more thing. You´re saying God has already condemned me, but not you. You have been given the gift of Grace. Does it mean that no matter what we do in life, we´re all condemned because God chooses only some of us, like you. I mean, since I don´t believe it means I haven´t been chosen. No matter what, I cannot change because I lack the gift you have. So, in conclusion, God doesn´t want me to be saved because otherwise he´d give me the gift he gave you? now, that sounds a wee bit contradictory, don´t yopu think? Like God is going to punish me for not giving me something Cool!

Lemon..

Somehow, I want to go for salawat 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGfSF42vfA

Repent people, repent!!..

Ps..I still love you though 

Lemon, I´m really sorry but everything can be explained using the "you´re not God, so you won´t understand" argument. If it convinces you, it´s fine. I am not convinced by it. What would happen if science didn´t develop because people thought - it´s God´s creation, we won´t be able to comprehend it anyway?

Besides, how do you know I´m not God? How can you be sure, my only purpose here is to test you? I won´t have to prove my being God to you as I´m not a party entertainer. How can you be sure there´s world around you? Maybe it´s an illusion created to test your faith? See - all we believe is a matter of choice. And this is how it is

Anyway, I´m not going to (or even trying) to convince you and you´re not going to convince me either, so let´s just agree to differ

 I checked the Bible...my name wasn´t in there.

You didn´t give me Good news... just bad. "You are going to hell" is bad news. You didn´t say "you are going to hell if you reject God" or something... you just made assumptions about my life, based on nothing, and condemned me. How is that "the good news"? You are not an evangelist, you are a dooms-speaker. You don´t tell people what they need to do to reach heaven. The thing is, you don´t know that from looking on an internet forum. It´s anonymous, and it doesn´t say anything about the people´s lives. Perhaps the pope is on here, trying to learn Turkish, and you have just condemned him to hell. Or maybe the sweetest, most helpfull Salvation Army worker was posting translations on here, and you also condemned her to hell.

It will be busy there, because by the way you judge people, you´ll be sitting alone in heaven all grumpy and the rest of the world will be in the eternal fires.

Lemonku, you can´t possibly know where I have been either Each one of us, TC users, have their own experience, and nobody has it the same way. I can say the same thing about you- you don´t know what I know. It leaves no space for discussion

We are not talking about the personal stuff or experiences. Smiac mi sie chce.

I assure you that you dont know what I know. It doesnt make me better than you.

I know what you know, its a simple human life without God. And you dont know the simple human life with God. That is the difference. You´ve never experienced the Grace.

Okay, so what are my sins? You seem to know so much about me. Am I married or not? A virgin...yes, no? Do I vast before Easter or not? Do I go to church, to the mosque, to the synagogue.... do I pray every night, or do I never pray at all? All knowing lemon, tell me what are the things that are going to send me straight to hell?

I dont know and dont care for your personal life, married or virgin, happy or sad, full of events and actions or empty, successful or looser, its your business. To me you can be a miserable begger in the corner. Your life has nothing to do with the salvation issue.

There are millions of people who religously go to churches, they will go to hell as well. Why? Because they dont worship God, they worship their churches, their traditions, their religions, their good charitable deeds, their saints, their leaders. None of them read Bible, none of them live in grace. They love themselves, they enjoy their lives.

You know of the existence of prayerless prayers? So what you pray, shamanists and paganists too pray. There are people who do a prayer before slaughtering you.

You ask me what things send you to hell. I say all things send you to hell. You asked a wrong question. Ask a question from which you can benefit.

Of course we are talking about personal experience - after all believing or not is a personal matter You´re saying you´ve experienced life without God and I have experienced life with God. Then you changed your mind and so did I, the difference between our experience is that we just went two different paths

So you agree that you know nothing about me and still you think you are able to know that I´m going to hell... Hmm...sounds like a "proud look" to me. (The Bible readers will know what I mean)

DD, please, dont twist the argument here. All of us have personal experiences - it is just life. But what I meant is you never lived in Grace. So, how do you know a thing you´ve never experienced and still give your opinion on it. Do you read me?

I dont want to win an argument here. If you stated things honestly, then it must be so. Who am I to state otherwise?

With you an argument looks like this    Honestly, you act like my daughter who is just 12. (to you the discussion is around you, you keep talking about yourself constantly, the core of discussion is barba, not God. Barba this, barba that) Is it difficult to see that the question is not you Barba but Barbas, millions of Barbas who are heading to hell. You say that I dont know you personally therefore I cant say that you are going to hell. Sounds like fair. But I will repeat you are going to hell if you dont repent, seriously. God hates you charity. He doesnt need your good deeds. All He wants is your heart, completely devoted to Him. Your thinking is shallow. You maybe surprised to find that Hitler is in Heaven and you are in Hell. Maybe Hitler asked for forgiveness and repented? While Barba was busy doing charity and kept her nose up high?

I prefer talking to DD who is at least an honest atheist and does not pretend a believer like you.

´Come, come, whoever you are: Wanderer, idolater, worshiper of fire. Come even though you have broken your vows a thousand times. Come, and come yet again. Ours is not a caravan of despair.´

Maulana Jalal ed-Din Rumi (A famous Muslim mystic)

I never said I was Christian. Saying that I´m an atheist would make me a liar. An atheist is somebody who is sure that there is no god. I don´t have a religion, and never claimed I had one, but I´m not an atheist either. I did read several versions of the Bible, the Quran and other religious texts, and had theological classes. That´s why I know stuff Like when Jesus cured a leperd... Careful there JC, God might think you´re doing charity! God doesn´t need my good deeds, but some PEOPLE do. If you think helping people is bad, than I feel very sorry for you.

Then you are not a believer. You are a typical New Age mish-mash product. You are everything and nothing.

If you are not a Christian then why are you answering to gezegen as a christian?

You read several versions of Bible?   And thats why you are such an ignorant of Bible?

I repeat again and again, you Braba, know nothing of Bible. Because you ve exposed your ignorance of it times and times.

You are right people need the charity. The charity is good for people. No matter how much of charity you ve done God will send you to hell. So says Bible.

I ment several translations, plus the mormon Bible. So that makes several versions, yes. And don´t say "the Bible says so". You mean "I think so according to my interpretation of the Bible". The Bible has´t "said" anything. It´s a book. By the way, you seem to ask people to respect your believes, while showing no respect what so ever to mine.

I never asked or begged to respect my belief. And I dont get offended so easily.

Mormons dont have Bible. Mormons have Mormons Book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon

What kind of belief you have that I can respect? What is it?

Speak something reasonable. Let me see that you possess something deep, not only shallow babbling.

If you dont know much about Bible then dont talk about it. Empty people see emptiness.

For you helping people, loving life, and seeing the beauty of the world is shallow apperently. So be it. You and I believe different things. According to my believes, these differences do ot make one better then the other. You don´t seem to share this believe. Again. So be it. I´m done with talking to somebody who is closed for other views on life.

I know I am radical. God is radical. God is dangerous apart from Christ. All the prophets of YHWH when they had to face God´s presence fell on the ground and wouldnt dare to look up.

My request only, do not speak of things you dont know. Your shallowness is noticed only not by me.

I too see no point talking to a person who doesnt know or understand of what is talked about.

Are you a good person?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGqYX-OLymU

Yunus Emre

A single word can brighten the face
of one who knows the value of words.
Ripened in silence, a single word
acquires a great energy for work.

War is cut short by a word,
and a word heals the wounds,
and there´s a word that changes
poison into butter and honey.

Let a word mature inside yourself.
Withhold the unripened thought.
Come and understand the kind of word
that reduces money and riches to dust.

Know when to speak a word
and when not to speak at all.
A single word turns the universe of hell
into eight paradises.

Follow the Way. Don´t be fooled
by what you already know. Be watchful.
Reflect before you speak.
A foolish mouth can brand your soul.

Yunus, say one last thing
about the power of words --
Only the word "I"
divides me from God.