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Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law NO MORE
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 06:31 pm

 

Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law NO MORE

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The law reduces the penalty for children accused of terrorism-related offenses and reforms legislation that has come under severe criticism from human right groups. Under the reform, children taking part in illegal protests or spreading separatist propaganda will no longer be prosecuted under anti-terror laws. Juvenile courts will handle cases related to such minors. The law also reduces the minimum prison sentence for anyone taking part in illegal protests to six months from one-and-a-half years.

 

Parliament passed a law Thursday night reducing penalties for children accused of terrorism-related offenses. This is the first law enacted as part of the government’s democratic initiative....

 

Hundreds of Kurdish children -- some as young as 11, according to human rights activists -- have been prosecuted by Turkish courts in the country´s Southeast. The new bill is part of the Justice and Development Party´s (AK Party) democratic initiative project designed to boost the rights of Kurds and end the terrorism of the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK). The law was passed despite opposition from the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP).

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/..law-passes-in-parliament.html 

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What a wonderful feeling to see something RIGHT is being done (despite the opposition from the racist party!!)

 

We had a discussion about it here : http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_46841

 



Edited (7/23/2010) by thehandsom

2.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 12:03 am

This is not a solution.

Still, Some people use innocent children for their aims. They give 5 lira and send them to do bad things and then, suddenly these ppl become a human rights defender!

I do not understand how come a 11 year old child can do a plan to attack polices, state buildings? who is the guilty one? their families or some politicians? or kurdish families?

3.       JuditSchmidt
1 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 12:36 am

What about our human rights to live safe and happy life, I never could understand these people! And In some way both party its responsible fro this! These children needs to be educated!

4.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 01:22 pm

Turkey has signed the Children´s rights charter of the UN like a lot of countries in the world. This charter secures the rights of children (in some countries this is below 18, in others this is below 16 years of age). This means that kids have a right to education, and can´t be thrown into jail like that. If they commit a crime, they are allowed to be punished ofcourse, but the charter states that this can´t be done in an adult way. The punishment must have an educational purpose, to bring kids back on the right path. By this change in rules, Turkey is simply following the promises it has made in the past by signing that charter. Juveniles must go to a juvenile court. I don´t see how this change in law will make Turkey more unsafe. I think it will make the coutry safer, actually. Give the kids who went on the wrong path a chance to better their life, instead of pushing them further into a criminal exitence.

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 11:17 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law NO MORE

...

The law reduces the penalty for children accused of terrorism-related offenses and reforms legislation that has come under severe criticism from human right groups. Under the reform, children taking part in illegal protests or spreading separatist propaganda will no longer be prosecuted under anti-terror laws. Juvenile courts will handle cases related to such minors. The law also reduces the minimum prison sentence for anyone taking part in illegal protests to six months from one-and-a-half years.

 

Parliament passed a law Thursday night reducing penalties for children accused of terrorism-related offenses. This is the first law enacted as part of the government’s democratic initiative....

 

Hundreds of Kurdish children -- some as young as 11, according to human rights activists -- have been prosecuted by Turkish courts in the country´s Southeast. The new bill is part of the Justice and Development Party´s (AK Party) democratic initiative project designed to boost the rights of Kurds and end the terrorism of the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK). The law was passed despite opposition from the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP).

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/..law-passes-in-parliament.html 

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What a wonderful feeling to see something RIGHT is being done (despite the opposition from the racist party!!)

 

We had a discussion about it here : http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_46841

 

I support this law as well...provided a further law is passed, to try and punish guardians of such children as well.

 



Edited (7/25/2010) by AlphaF

6.       Thebirdy
39 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 11:39 pm

childhood is a social construction,that means it depends on society ,its norms, hear says and ways of perceiving..varies from society to society,providing wide array of perspectives but in fact the notion of childhood is quite a new one.Dating back to 19th century in Western civilization.Till 19th century kids were nothing but poor replica of adults, even poorly represented in arts

Kids..those innocent when one can think,easily manipulated or those from death troops from Africa,poisoned with drugs and ideology,used by adults...

Kids..the future of mankind

I am appealed when I hear kids suffer, or when they are used,or they are deprived of happy childhood, targets of adults´ ambition...

no matter what is their ethnic origin,they should be protected,educated,saved...and under no circumstances  should they be a matter of politics of those who are cowardish enough to hide behind kids!!!!

 

 

7.       si++
3785 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 08:38 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

Turkey has signed the Children´s rights charter of the UN like a lot of countries in the world. This charter secures the rights of children (in some countries this is below 18, in others this is below 16 years of age). This means that kids have a right to education, and can´t be thrown into jail like that. If they commit a crime, they are allowed to be punished ofcourse, but the charter states that this can´t be done in an adult way. The punishment must have an educational purpose, to bring kids back on the right path. By this change in rules, Turkey is simply following the promises it has made in the past by signing that charter. Juveniles must go to a juvenile court. I don´t see how this change in law will make Turkey more unsafe. I think it will make the coutry safer, actually. Give the kids who went on the wrong path a chance to better their life, instead of pushing them further into a criminal exitence.

 

You are completely right. Our state should do its part. We are currently changing our laws.

 

That said, what is your opinion about the families of these children? Giving birth to a child is a serious matter. You have to provide all the best for them. The typical family of these children is 3 to 6 kids (or even more usually in East and South of Turkey), and low income. What can you expect from these families for these children? They are all in streets without any parental guidance, they will not get a good education or any education at all. They have no bright future ahead, that´s for sure. They are given stones and told to throw them at Turkish police and end up in a prison. They are toys of the PKK. Shouldn´t we blame PKK for their acts?

 

So what should our state do for this families? Aren´t they guilty here? Don´t you think father and mother should be punished for not taking care of their children? What would your state do in such a case? Any punishment for parents? I think the children are taken away from the families and the State bring them up, right?

 

 

 

8.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 11:56 am

 

Quoting Thebirdy

childhood is a social construction,that means it depends on society ,its norms, hear says and ways of perceiving..varies from society to society,providing wide array of perspectives but in fact the notion of childhood is quite a new one.Dating back to 19th century in Western civilization.Till 19th century kids were nothing but poor replica of adults, even poorly represented in arts

Kids..those innocent when one can think,easily manipulated or those from death troops from Africa,poisoned with drugs and ideology,used by adults...

Kids..the future of mankind

I am appealed when I hear kids suffer, or when they are used,or they are deprived of happy childhood, targets of adults´ ambition...

no matter what is their ethnic origin,they should be protected,educated,saved...and under no circumstances  should they be a matter of politics of those who are cowardish enough to hide behind kids!!!!

 

 

Try educating those stone throwing kids...you will immediately be labelled as an ASSIMILATIONIST.......Can you beat that? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

9.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 01:35 pm

I agree that we should look better at the parents, and the environment in which the kid grows up. A 11 year old can never be a "terrorist" by himself. Although, I think a kid throwing rocks can never be labelled a terrorist. With punishment of kids you have to think of what is best for the future of the state. But I do have to put a big ´but´ when we look at punishing the parents. In some cases this would be just. However, a parent can never control a kid 24 hours a day. I have had some experience with kids that have ADHD. It´s a disorder that makes children hyperactive, and you can influence them very easily. If you tell a kid like that "here, I bet you are to scared to throw that rock at that policeman", they will simply start throwing rocks at the police!

I think the key here is to give more individual attention to the kids, their families, and the circumstances that led to their criminal activities. Only if you know why and how they did the bad things, you can try to prevent it in the future.

10.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 03:15 pm

I believe parents whose children are let to wander int he streets should be fined. In some  countries there´s a law that children can´t be unattended till they´re 11 or thereabout. In Poland parents are heavily fined in their children skip school. If negligence repeats itself children should be given foster care. It´s not enough to breed children, you should have only as many as you can raise properly. And it´s not a matter of money - some poor families do a great job raising children. It´s about how much time you spend with children, and what you teach it. If your children are just a burden to you and you let them raise themselves, then perhaps the country should help you get rid of the trouble...

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