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Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law NO MORE
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10.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 03:15 pm

I believe parents whose children are let to wander int he streets should be fined. In some  countries there´s a law that children can´t be unattended till they´re 11 or thereabout. In Poland parents are heavily fined in their children skip school. If negligence repeats itself children should be given foster care. It´s not enough to breed children, you should have only as many as you can raise properly. And it´s not a matter of money - some poor families do a great job raising children. It´s about how much time you spend with children, and what you teach it. If your children are just a burden to you and you let them raise themselves, then perhaps the country should help you get rid of the trouble...

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11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 03:19 pm

I really think people who are not satisfied with this change of the law and try to accuse those kids or their parents should read Murat Belge´s writings:

(They are Turkish)

http://taraf.com.tr/murat-belge/makale-hakkari-hatirasi-iii.htm

http://taraf.com.tr/murat-belge/makale-hakkarinin-sonu.htm

 

He was trying to find an answer to a young person´s question: ´Hocam -my teacher-, what do you want us to do if you dont want us to throw stones´

Apperantly he could not find a proper answer for them (after explaining they are the generations born in poverty after their parent were forced to leave their villages when they were burnt etc)

He tried to explain ´the contditions in which those kids exist , are forcing them to fight..No matter what the fight is..´

He thought that "those kids knew they would not change anything by throwing stones".

He also ´interestingly´ conclude that, those kids wont listen to anybody (including their parents) but only Apo.. He was not sure if it will be the case for tomorrow..

That is unfortunately where our approach to our Kurdish problem brought us..

 

 

12.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 04:20 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 In Poland parents are heavily fined in their children skip school.

 

In the UK too.  Unfortunately, many parents who are subjected to the fine don´t have any money.  There have been odd cases where parents have been imprisoned for non payment.  I think they should be made to attend some form of parenting class or carry out some form of community service, especially if they don´t work.

13.       janissaridis
148 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 08:58 am

this law is not for kurdish children..this law is for every child in TR who break the law.....,

 

DJ

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14.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 12:30 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I really think people who are not satisfied with this change of the law and try to accuse those kids or their parents should read Murat Belge´s writings:

(They are Turkish)

http://taraf.com.tr/murat-belge/makale-hakkari-hatirasi-iii.htm

http://taraf.com.tr/murat-belge/makale-hakkarinin-sonu.htm

 

He was trying to find an answer to a young person´s question: ´Hocam -my teacher-, what do you want us to do if you dont want us to throw stones´

Apperantly he could not find a proper answer for them (after explaining they are the generations born in poverty after their parent were forced to leave their villages when they were burnt etc)

He tried to explain ´the contditions in which those kids exist , are forcing them to fight..No matter what the fight is..´

He thought that "those kids knew they would not change anything by throwing stones".

He also ´interestingly´ conclude that, those kids wont listen to anybody (including their parents) but only Apo.. He was not sure if it will be the case for tomorrow..

That is unfortunately where our approach to our Kurdish problem brought us..

 

 

 

 I don´t agree with this. Apo doesn´t live in these kids houses. How do they know about Apo? The number one influence on children is their same sex parent. The number two influence is their different sex parent. You can´t say "those children only listen to Apo"... Did Apo come to their house since they were young, introduced himself to them as babies, and influenced their daily routine for the next 18 years? I don´t think so... The fact that they "listen to Apo" also has a reason, and that reason is their environment.

I think the teacher is not a good teacher if his answer is "I don´t know"... Come on.. when I was a kid and I got bullied, I became very aggresive and used to get into fights all the time. At one point I even got into trouble for it. Do you think my teacher said "oh, you are bullied... well, I know that you can´t do anything else than fight"... (I know this is not the same situation, i´t´s a metaphor, stick with me). I have learned through the important people in my life (like parents, family and teachers), and by history lessons that nothing is more powerfull then the human mind. I have learned that if I want to make a change, I need to use my brain and my words, and for example, go into politics, protest, go to international court, etc. Using violence is a sign of a lack of brainpower.

15.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 03:32 pm

One very good way of assesing those stone throwing kids of Kurdish ethnic origin, is to gently interview their classmates of Turkish ethnic origin - who has to share same schools and classrooms with these angelic vigilantes, simply because their fathers are stationed in the same area.

Only then, one can appreciate the degree of hardship young children can be sujected to.

There are always two sides to a coin: but some can only see one side.

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