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Terror still an issue Turky in 2027
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1.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 01:26 pm

2027´de Türkiye´de terör

A new book describing Turky in the year 2027 has been released in UK. According to newsweek, the book, titled "The Dervish House", written by Ian McDonald is doing some brainstorming about the Turky of 17 years later.

The book starts with a bombing on Monday and ends on Friday when the secret is solved, spanning in 463 pages.

An insteresting note about the book is that the Kurdish problem in Turky still hasn´t been sorted out in 2027.

 

Quoted from: here

2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 02:28 pm

This is fantastic.. Made my day..lol

This is just a science fiction novel. I mean, you know, just one of books written by a guy with some imagination. You dont look for TRUTH or you dont take it seriously..At least under normal circumstances it should be the case.. 

Because, in the end, you know that it is a science fiction novel.

But see how it is perceived by some of the people (Some translations from the comments) :

-"it is like WW1. UK was interfering with us at the time, they are doing the same today. Ottomani should have finished you"

-"People who prepared that map (map of sevr I guess) was British, person who this book is British too"..

-"It is not right to comment before reading the book but it looks like what is written there is the role the west has been proposing for Turkey. It seems to me that the book is written so they can get used to it"

-"Why is it not another country but Turkey?"

-"keep messing with my beautiful country you. It looks like you have many ships to sunk in Dardanells (refering to WW1 and the war at Dardanells)"

-"I dont believe it has different purpose than sawing the seeds of hatered between the brothers of this country"

Well.. lol lol

I mentioned about the level of paranoia and the level of fantasies in my country. did not I?

 

 

3.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 02:37 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

This is fantastic.. Made my day..lol

This is just a science fiction novel. I mean, you know, just one of books written by a guy with some imagination. You dont look for TRUTH or you dont take it seriously..At least under normal circumstances it should be the case.. 

Because, in the end, you know that it is a science fiction novel.

But see how it is perceived by some of the people (Some translations from the comments) :

 

-"it is like WW1. UK was interfering with us at the time, they are doing the same today. Ottomani should have finished you"

-"People who prepared that map (map of sevr I guess) was British, person who this book is British too"..

-"It is not right to comment before reading the book but it looks like what is written there is the role the west has been proposing for Turkey. It seems to me that the book is written so they can get used to it"

-"Why is it not another country but Turkey?"

-"keep messing with my beautiful country you. It looks like you have many ships to sunk in Dardanells (refering to WW1 and the war at Dardanells)"

-"I dont believe it has different purpose than sawing the seeds of hatered between the brothers of this country"

Well.. lol lol

I mentioned about the level of paranoia and the level of fantasies in my country. did not I?

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your time (you seem to have plenty of it) for this amendment.

 

What if it is SciFi? It´s not far from the truth that probably we will have this Kurdish problem (and terror as result) then, provided we are still living together.

 

You need something to make your day.{#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

4.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 02:45 pm

You can´t base your view of a country on the notes made under a book review, or any other article on internet. If you would base your opinion about Dutch people on the responses to news articles on internet, you would think my entire country is filled with idiots and racists.

 

Anyway, about the book. I know the writer, and because I know about his work I decided to check some stuff about the book. Let´s make clear that this is not a book about PKK. A terrorist act is the starting point of the book, but the book itself is more epic, a bit mystic. It´s not all about blood and terror. It´s comparable to previous books of this author, with intertwining stories of several interesting characters. It´s sci-fi, it´s not a news report.

 

English reviews can be found here:

http://boingboing.net/2010/07/12/ian-mcdonalds-dervis.html

http://astroguyz.com/2010/06/18/review-the-dervish-house-by-ian-mcdonald/

 

5.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 03:11 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

You can´t base your view of a country on the notes made under a book review, or any other article on internet. It´s just a prediction. I used the word"probably". Let´s wait for another 17 years and see what happens.If you would base your opinion about Dutch people on the responses to news articles on internet, you would think my entire country is filled with idiots and racists.

 

 

 

 

6.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 03:16 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

 

 

I was refering to the previous posts about Turkish people being racist or whatever, based on the comments people made under the Turkish review of this book. The Handsome said somethig about I mentioned about the level of paranoia and the level of fantasies in Turkey. I said you can´t base THAT on the remarks of people on internet.



Edited (7/27/2010) by barba_mama [quote doesn´t seem to work]

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 03:24 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I was refering to the previous posts about Turkish people being racist or whatever, based on the comments people made under the Turkish review of this book. The Handsome said somethig about I mentioned about the level of paranoia and the level of fantasies in Turkey. I said you can´t base THAT on the remarks of people on internet.

 

Well of course I would not make my judgement about Dutch people after reading the comments..

But I can make my judgement about my own people.  lol 

And I am right.. Even the poster thinks there might be some truth into it..

It is just a book..

 

 

8.      
posts --- Modify
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 03:56 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well of course I would not make my judgement about Dutch people after reading the comments..

But I can make my judgement about my own people.  lol 

And I am right.. Even the poster thinks there might be some truth into it..What´s wrong with mentioning a prediction about Turky´s future? Anyhing that can happen will happen.

It is just a book.. As if I didn´t know that.

 

 

 

 

9.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 05:24 pm

... Let me explain again... the book was not written as a prediction of Turkey´s future. It´s a sci-fi book, with robots and stuff.

10.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 05:31 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

... Let me explain again... the book was not written as a prediction of Turkey´s future. It´s a sci-fi book, with robots and stuff.

Who´s this explaination meant for? Stop treating others as dumb or something. Not nice, smart lady.

 

Let me check again if I understood correctly. it´s a scifi book, with robots and stuff. Is that what you´re saying?Wink

 

11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 05:38 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

... Let me explain again... the book was not written as a prediction of Turkey´s future. It´s a sci-fi book, with robots and stuff.

 

+1000 lol lol lol 

12.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 05:41 pm

Well I would have said the posters name if his/her name was in the post, but it was blank {#emotions_dlg.think}

13.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 06:11 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

+1000 lol lol lol 

 

this is meaningless. adding to 1000 to what? You know if you are into math a little you can add two numbers.

 

The meaningful number here would be +0 meaning I have nothing to add.

14.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 06:12 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Well I would have said the posters name if his/her name was in the post, but it was blank {#emotions_dlg.think}

 

It was my post if you were talking about. Who else´s can it be?

15.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 10:58 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

It was my post if you were talking about. Who else´s can it be?

 

Okay, than you are the one who said "What´s wrong with mentioning a prediction about Turky´s future? Anyhing that can happen will happen." So then I said that it was just a sci-fi book, not a prediction. The writer has never written this as a prediction of what the future would look like. Terminator was also not shot as a prediction of the future, it was just a cool sci-fi movie. I don´t see how my remark is ´not nice´, I´m just pointing out the obvious. Apparently you needed the explanation, because you are not familiar with the writer and his style of books. 

 

Seriously... why do I have to repeat myself, and spell out every remark that I make? It´s boring...{#emotions_dlg.suspicious}

16.       si++
3785 posts
 28 Jul 2010 Wed 08:53 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

Quoting si++

 

 

It was my post if you were talking about. Who else´s can it be?

 

Okay, than you are the one who said "What´s wrong with mentioning a prediction about Turky´s future? Anyhing that can happen will happen." So then I said that it was just a sci-fi book, not a prediction. And I said it was me who said it. I was not talking about what the book said.The writer has never written this as a prediction of what the future would look like. Terminator was also not shot as a prediction of the future, it was just a cool sci-fi movie. I don´t see how my remark is ´not nice´, I´m just pointing out the obvious. If it´s obvious why feel the urge to point it out. I thought you think I am a dumb or something. Apparently you needed the explanation, because you are not familiar with the writer and his style of books. 

  

Seriously... why do I have to repeat myself, and spell out every remark that I make? It´s boring...{#emotions_dlg.suspicious} yeah and you got your share in it.

 

 

17.       stumpy
638 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 12:25 am

I have read the book, it is a good peice of science fiction just like Terminal Cafe by the same author.

Quote:si++

An insteresting note about the book is that the Kurdish problem in Turky still hasn´t been sorted out in 2027.

If you read the book you will find out that the "Kurdish problem" has been resolved in 2022 by the books timeline.

18.       si++
3785 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 07:51 am

 

Quoting stumpy

I have read the book, it is a good peice of science fiction just like Terminal Cafe by the same author.

Quote:si++

An insteresting note about the book is that the Kurdish problem in Turky still hasn´t been sorted out in 2027.

If you read the book you will find out that the "Kurdish problem" has been resolved in 2022 by the books timeline.

The article quoted says it´s not! How have you concluded otherwise? Give us the bits that make you think otherwise.

 

 

19.       stumpy
638 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 08:36 am

Quote:si++

The article quoted says it´s not! How have you concluded otherwise? Give us the bits that make you think otherwise.

The first mention of Kurds in the book is on page 73: "Turkey´s many terror groups each have their own signature.  The Kurds tend to be theatrical.  They need to attract atention to themslves as a nation.  The anti-EU Grey wolf nationalist see themselves in the romatic tradition of young Turks and favor individual asassinations and street shootings."

 

Pages 212 to 214 of the book: "In 2021 I was assigned to a military intelligence unit in Diyarbakir...  In the run-up to EU accession we decided to conduct a series of strategic strikes against the PKK.  The plan as to damadge its structure and weaken Kurdish nationalism´s bargaining position beforem European human rights and ethnic minority tied our hands%

...

"Operation Euphrates was a project to field test a second-generation chemical device on an isolated civilian population.  It consisted of an airborne nanoscale agent designed to enter the brain and modify the dopamine, oxytocin and serotonin uptakes."

...

"The agent was designed to increase the passivety, disrupt associational ties and enhance mutual distrust while at the same time expanding receptivity to our information."

 

Now there is no mention af a "Kurdish problem" anywhere in the book after pages 215.  The only mention is first to try to explain the tram bombing by the lone woman and then the exerp when a general tells of a mission against the Kurds before the EU accession.

I would recommend you read the book and not just go by some critic that read the synopsys of the book and thinks he has understood the whole story.

The story is about 6 people who´s lives have been changed by the bombing on tram 119 and what happens to them in the folloowing days after the incident.

By the way the book is about 30 dollars in any good book store, hard cover on top of that!

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