Removed one of Daydreamer´s posts.

There are several "problems" here. One is the fact that there has been no accomodation for nomadic peoples in modern "civilization". Number two is the inaccurate discription of "gypsies" or "Roma" peoples. FYI they have a cast system, professions are learned from infancy. I´m sure you would not have a problem with the artists...or would you?

My description of Gypsies is simple. It comes from my expeirence since my childhood. I try to respect any ethnicity but it always has its boundaries.

If artists are meant to behave like them then: No, thank you.

People, lets talk truth not political correctness aka hypocracy.

Its a shame DD´s post was removed. I had no chance to read it.

The situation of gypsies in countries like Romania is very very sad. If you saw with your own eyes how they are treated there, you would understand why they would do anything to leave there. They hardly get any opportunity to make a living. When you are a gypsy, the chance that somebody will hire you is about 0,01% And you can´t expect every gypsy to make a living from music, right?

I still think this situation is highly influenced by racism. The cause of them leaving their "home countries" in the first place is an effect of racism. To be honest, I had a bad experience with some gypsie people. But the number of bad experiences that I had with Turkish people is way way WAY higher. However, I don´t judge the entire Turkish nation on these people. Just like I don´t judge the entire gypsy population on the few that steal and so on.

Havent seen ever in my life a Turk stealing and cheating all around or turning a public place into a place to avoid.

I think you have not seen many gypsies stealing either.. But that is the belief you have and that is very common.. That belief is not a belief you acquired after you had some experience with gypsies. It is the result of common perception about them..

(I was talking to my mom on the phone the other day.. We talked about how Turkish politicians´ rhetorics are becoming like street language/quality dropping etc.. She added her comment in the end as ´ I know.. They are like gypsies´.

Barba, you know why Turks in Europe are living mostly in close communities and more radical than the Turks in Turkey, maybe did they have bad experiences with European people?

You are also talking about politics on phone with your mum, woe to your mummy

I think if anyone lived in an area where gypsies turn up in convoys and park on people land illegally, steal what ever they want, don´t pay tax or contribute to society, but want everything you would perhaps change you mind about predjudice!  The police are even scared to go onto a gypsie site as they are surrounded and hounded off.  They are intimidating and they think they are beyond the law and sadly it is the minority that make it bad for the majority. 

And whats more, you should see the mess they leave behind, human faeces, bags of rotting rubbish, burned out cars, and other junk.  They do themselves no favours.

In Norway they did very bad things to Romanies (Gypsies):

The number of Romanies in this Scandinavian nation is a matter of dispute, but the official representative of the nation´s Romanies puts the figure at 20,000 out of a total population of 4.3 million.

Romanies in Norway were persecuted for many decades, particularly early in the 20th century. Laws were passed in an attempt to make these nomadic people settle in one place, and several institutions tried—often using harsh methods—to forcibly assimilate Romanies into Norwegian society and eradicate their cultural heritage, including their language, music, and religion.

Many of the organizations involved in the suppression of Romany culture were run by the church or managed by clergy. The most prominent was the Norwegian Mission among the Homeless which is now believed to have been responsible for at least 40 percent of forced sterilizations of Romany women, mainly in the 1930s and 1940s.

Up to 300 women were sterilized against their will, and about 1,700 children were taken away from their mothers and adopted by other families or placed in children´s homes. This process continued until the 1970s.

Yeah, Norway´s biggest church, the (Lutheran) Church of Norway, has apologized to the nation´s Romanies—once known as gypsies—for its ill treatment of their people in the past.

Of the church´s support for the forced sterilizations, Pettersen, head of the Romany People´s National Union, said: "The church gave its ideological support to the social debate about racial hygiene [eugenics] which took place in Norway as in most other Western countries in the 1930s."