The gypsies I am talking about WERE born in Holland yes, THAT was my point. When we are talking about the people being deported from France, we should say "Romanians are being deported" and not say "gypsies are being deported." But somehow, being gypsy is the main feature of interest to people. It´s not like gypsies from around the world are flocking to France to poop on the street there.

 Okay, this is becoming a personal attack, so I will spell it out to you. SOME people on here defend their racist talks about gypsies, with the bad experiences they had with gypsies. If you can judge an entire people based on the few bad experiences you had with some of them, than I can call every Turk a stupid, horny, smelly, stealing idiot. But I don´t... that was my point, which you totally missed. I don´t judge Turkish people on the few idiots in the population. I am not comparing gypsies and Turkish people. I´m just saying that Turkish people would complain, if the entire world would judge them on the stupid behaviour of a few. But somehow it is accepted in Turkey to judge all gypsies on the behaviour of a few. This sounds very hypocritical to me. I know not every Turk is a hypocrite like this, but I have never before heard so many negative things about gypsies, as I did in Turkey. So, you find my complaints about hypocracy and racism childish. That is sad,.. for you. Not for me.

I also find it very sad that you don´t even understand the simple difference between "EU" and it´s members. France is an EU member, but what it has done now with the gypsies is an internal French problem. And you think that Turkey is some kind of heaven for gypsies or something? I have seen policemen beat gypsy kids with a stick in Turkey. Is that a good thing? And this is only the top of the bad behaviour I´ve seen towards them. Lucky gypsies!

Why do you bother to explain things to Janis, Barba? He will never understand your point. In his mind he believes we all praise EU and hate Turkey. Nothing you say will change it, he will live and die thinking this way. He doesn´t seem to see the difference between France deporting Gypsy immigrants, who came to this country and break the law and each country´s attempt to assimilate their Gypsies. The Gypsies born in France are not being subject to deportation, are they? The Gypsies in Turkey are not immigrant either, right?

What I really disapprove of is political correctness going overboard. If Gypsies camp illegaly and constitute threat to public safety why is it wrong to want to have them removed? Is calling them Gypsies or Romani a bad thing? If they were Poles, nobody would object to their being called Poles. If a black person mugs you in the street, is it racist to say you were mugged by a black person? Describing people by their most obvious characteristics is not racist. It is however racist to think that all Gypsies are a menace or that all black people are criminals. Nowhere in my posts did I state that ALL Gypsies should be deported - I was referring tot he given group. How is that racist? It´s not their ethnic origin that I consider reason for deportation but their behaviour...or do you, PC brigade, think that certain groups can get away with more only because they have a different ethnic origin?

she has to explain her things to me...she doesnt has to explain things to you coz u dont have enough capacity to understand. I dont belive that u all hate Turkey.coz ı know u hate turkey but U spent time with Turks u cant live without turks..we are ´´viagra ´´ of EU which makes u happier...u comment all stiation what u want..the person who Thinks that gypsies in TR are citizen; gypsies in france are immigrant must be very low intellectual capacity...u dont know what this issue means??? so go and read something about gypsies then u can tell us smtg...please dont change the topic with your low capacity opinions...

u wrote here what u think about Turkish..Im sure u mixed Turks with your man  such as

stupid, horny, smelly, stealing idiot...

Actually I don´t think turks are better or worse than any other nationality romance- or sexwise. I´d say they are in the European average. Viagra of Europe? Please I have no idea what experience you have with men in Europe, but I can assure you women here have nothing to complain about

And yes, there are french Gypsies, meaning these who have French citizenship - nobody is trying to deprt them. The ones who are being deported is illegal immigrants. And they´re not being deported because they are Gypsies, but because they´re breaking the law. How´s that for "capacity" - unless you mean I have a low brain capacity for nonsense you´re selling

 ha ha ha, Im not interested in men your low capacity cant understand thesehow a low capacity why u all come to TR? Why u all talk about Turkish a lot dont u have anything to do? hmm understood, u are here coz of me...haha, but Im not interested in post menopausal women

I think EU commission will have a IQ test for citizens then will deport them dont come to Tr coz this country is for high level IQ

DJxxx

Well, you know, there are men who are interested in other men, it´s quite a common thing. I thought you were an expert on men as you called Turks viagra of Europe. How would you know that if you didn´t check turkish men and European ones and compare them?

Why do I write about Turkey? because I can and because I am interested in this country - I´ve been there several times and I found it fascinating. It´s a country of great cultural clash, tradition and progress walk hand in hand, you have backward ideas being challenged by modern ones. It´s interesting to observe it. I don´t think many countries in Europe are so divided. Besides, Turkey might join the EU one day so it´s natural that one wants to know a lot about it. I don´t have to mention the food and the seas, do I?

As for IQ levels. The literacy rate in Turkey is about 88% while in EU it´s well over 95%. I suggest you check sources before showing off your ignorance. Oh, you know what, Wikipedia quotes national IQ estimate here. Sorry, Janis, you´re behind EU results. Not that these estiamtes actually mean anything - it would be stupid to call a whole nation wise or stupid. You should try to see a bigger picture instead of hating everybody who isn´t Turkish.

It´s a problem that a lot of people have a bad image of gypsies. And by stating that gypsies are being deported, it just enforces the bad image people have of them. Also, the way in which they are treated is differently than the average Romanian. Perhaps even better in this case, because they get "going away" money from the government. I don´t agree with this. It´s like those gypsies are some kind of disease that they want to pay extra money for to get rid off. This is my problem with the issue. I know that this mind seem pc to some, but it is a reality that a lot of racist people (no, not you) use this to say "you see, gypsies are criminals". I think they should not be treated any better, or worse, and I get the idea that in this case they are. Call them illegal immigrants, and deal with them as you would do any other illegal immigrant. That´s just my opinion

 haha, this IQ test must have conducted to polish who lives in ireland

"can´t we all just get along?" -  Rodney King 2007

No!!

"Getting along is BANNED until further notice"!!