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Cyprus dispute ....?
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1.       amy_
6 posts
 17 Dec 2010 Fri 07:26 pm

Merhaba x 

i just wondered what everyone thought about the Kıbrıs dispute......

is cyprus turkish/greek?

i think its turkish - but im biased as a turkish cypriot

teşekkürler x x

2.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 18 Dec 2010 Sat 02:30 am

all cyprus isnt turkish and all cyprus isnt greek also.

north is turkish, south is greek.

 

if you dont want to marry someone, why will you marry.

trying to make one cyprus is useless.

 

3.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Dec 2010 Sat 03:33 am

Until I paid a visit to stay a week or so in Cyprus, I thought we are loved by Cypriot Turks and that it was merely a matter between us and the Greeks. It was a big anticlimax to be labeled as a colonist and imperialist seeking to exploit, enslave and impoverish the island. They consider the Turks from Turkey responsible for the dramatic increase in the crime rate and corruption of their social values. There is a seed of truth in that and these guys cannot deport them or control them the way they want to.

A sizeable portion of Cyprus´ budget is paid by our government every year. Every year the demand gets higher and the protests over economic hardships keep on mounting. When I was there, the islanders working in the private sector were fighting to get siesta breaks -a privilage enjoyed exclusively by the civil servants. I don´t know what the situation is like now but that sounded like a strange demand in a country where the economy was in shambles.

I would prefer my government to withdraw our troops from Cyprus and let the Turkish Cypriot government decide about their own fate.

 



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4.       ogrenci3000
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 18 Dec 2010 Sat 10:09 pm

Probably Turks and Greeks aren´t married as ikincihan said, but it seems to me that they are like a couple that spends much time together, despite the older peoples´ objections. I am going to tell you the story, from my personal point of view. I am a greek from Athens and had some job in Nicosia(Lefkosa) at the greek sector. Before going to Cyprus, I had heard that it was difficult to cross the green line, that ungry soldiers from both sides would ask me what I was going to do to the other side. So, after finishing the job I had, I walked through Ledra street accross to the green line. Ledra street, for the people that haven´t been there is the most central street in Nicosia, just like Istiklal caddesi in Isanbul, or like Hermou street in Athens. I was surprised to see hundreds of people crossing the border almost for fun. Greek Cypriot and tourists, families with small children, visiting the shops of the turkish side, to buy baklava,  hundreds and hundreds of young turkish people sitting at the cafes and tavernas of the greek side. So I decided to cross the line. Instead of the ungry soldiers, I saw 3-4 policemen at each side that almost didn´t pay attention to who was going in and out.  I said mehaba to the turkish policeman, and he answered to me kalispera. The next day I made a small trip to Girne (Keryneia). Instead of "vahsi canavarlar - wild monsters" I saw labels in greek on the cafes at the old port of the city and waiters speaking with me in greek.

As a conclusion, I saw that common people, during peace times can live together. Of course in times when  there is tension (political, religious etc.) things may be more difficult. I suggest the trip to the other side of the green line to all those from Greece and Turkey who know the situation in Cyprus only from TV.

If someone from Turkey had done the trip from the other side, it would be interesting to hear his/her impressions.

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5.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 19 Dec 2010 Sun 04:01 am

I still don´t understand why Cyprus can´t just be Cyprus... not Greek, not Turkish, just Cyprus.

6.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Dec 2010 Sun 11:22 pm

Barba, your question would possibly apply to almost all conflict zones in the world.

Nevertheless, many such incidents can be characterized by the presence of a long state of tension between rival groups which gradually turns into a kind of slow motion war. Atrocities culminating over years give way to a large scale war and then hell breaks loose. We are humans not angels. We are both good and bad. Sometimes, anger and greed turn ordinary people into blood thirsty butchers. In the background of any war there is sin. We are all paying for the sins our ancestors committed in warfare. (Some of us reap the harvest of them.)

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Dec 2010 Mon 01:10 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

I still don´t understand why Cyprus can´t just be Cyprus... not Greek, not Turkish, just Cyprus.

 

There are two other vital questions to be honestly replied before any one can answer Barba´s question.

1. Reflect on year 1974 and do not go very far back....In the year that preceeded the 1974 Turkish Peace Operation,  just how many civilian Turkish Cypriots do you think were killed by the Greek Cypriots?

2. Now reflect on the 36 years that elapsed, since the 1974 Turkish Peace Operation.... How many civilian Turkish Cypriots do you think have been killed by the Greek Cypriots in those 36 years?

You can ask (and reply) the same questions interchanging the phrase Turkish Cypriots with Greek Cypriots, and vica versa..

 



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8.       amy_
6 posts
 21 Dec 2010 Tue 10:55 am

Quoting barba_mama

I still don´t understand why Cyprus can´t just be Cyprus... not Greek, not Turkish, just Cyprus.

barba in answeer to your question; because whoever is right and whoever is wrong, the greeks and turkish are both too stubborn to back down and give up cyprus to another. they both want it so much neither can admit what they have done wrong.

9.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Dec 2010 Tue 12:57 pm

 

Quoting amy_

barba in answeer to your question; because whoever is right and whoever is wrong, the greeks and turkish are both too stubborn to back down and give up cyprus to another. they both want it so much neither can admit what they have done wrong.

Who was Makarios ?

Whatever happened to him?

 

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10.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Dec 2010 Tue 02:35 pm

 

Quoting amy_

barba in answeer to your question; because whoever is right and whoever is wrong, the greeks and turkish are both too stubborn to back down and give up cyprus to another. they both want it so much neither can admit what they have done wrong.

 

As long as the matter is Cyprus you are right but you can find plenty of other examples to such conflicts. For example, the US has satanized Cuba and denies establishing relationship with this country officially. Meanwhile, this tiny nation has impoverished, due to improportionate embargos that has continued for decades. The lion got angry with the mouse who wanted to be free and his anger is still going strong. Remember Vietnam, Afghanistan and the reasons why superpowers got there. Was it worth it?

 

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