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Osama bin Laden killed in shootout, Obama says
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20.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2011 Thu 06:45 pm

Why do official declarements continue to change in time?First it was declared, he was armed and used his wife as a shield, and then it was stated neither of them has happened, he was not armed, and then it was insisted he had resisted(without a weapon?), lots of data flying around, before Pakistani leader stated that they caught him, handed over him to US forces in 2001 and US forces released him, and then there were rumours he had died because of kidney cancer in 2001 etc... 

Anyway it seems Ladin period is over, he was the created enemy after cold war, the question is who will be next bad man? Kaddafi, Zewahiri or Esad? Let American people choose one in a democratic way, that is my suggestion {#emotions_dlg.lol}

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21.       tunci
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 05 May 2011 Thu 07:49 pm

Native Americans offended by code name ´Geronimo´

This 1887 file photo provided by the National Archives shows the famed Indian warrior Geronimo, a Chiricahua Apache, posing with a rifle. AP photo.

This 1887 file photo provided by the National Archives shows the famed Indian warrior Geronimo, a Chiricahua Apache, posing with a rifle. AP photo

 

Native American leaders in the United States expressed outrage Wednesday that the name of legendary Apache warrior Geronimo was used as a military code name during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

"To associate a native warrior with bin Laden is not an accurate reflection of history, and it undermines the military service of native people," said a statement by Jefferson Keel, president of the National Congress of American Indians, or NCAI.

Geronimo, an Apache chief who lived from 1829 to 1909, was a famed warrior who fought in what is now the U.S. state of New Mexico, battling U.S. and Mexican authorities as the American West was being settled.

Keel said using the name of Geronimo during the U.S. Special Forces operation against bin Laden in Pakistan was an affront to Native Americans because it linked them to one of the most reviled enemies of the United States. He noted that 77 U.S. troops of Native American origin have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001, and another 400 have been wounded.

Jeff Houser, chairman of the Fort Sill Apache Tribe, sent a scathing letter this week to President Barack Obama, demanding an apology for what Houser described as the misappropriation of their hero´s name.

"We are quite certain that the use of the name Geronimo as a code name for Osama bin Laden was based on misunderstood and misconceived historical perspectives of Geronimo and his armed struggle against the United States and Mexican government," he wrote from Apache, Oklahoma, near the burial place of the legendary warrior.

He called the link to bin Laden "painful and offensive to our tribe," especially after the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution honoring Geronimo for his bravery and defense of his homeland. "Now a little over two years later your administration has further immortalized his existence by linking him to the most hated person in recent American history."

The elite U.S. Navy SEAL team that stormed bin Laden´s compound uttered the words "Geronimo-E KIA" - enemy killed in action - after the al-Qaeda leader was confirmed dead.

U.S. officials have stressed the mission itself was called "Jackpot" and that the name Geronimo was not equated with the al-Qaeda leader, but was the verbal signal that the mission had succeeded.

The New York Times, in its account of Obama and top officials following the progress of the raid from the White House Situation Room, described "Geronimo" as the code name for bin Laden, and quoted CIA chief Leon Panetta as saying "We have a visual on Geronimo." Time magazine, in its account, said a source in the Situation Room later issued a clarification to say the exact words were "Visual on Geronimo."

The Onondaga Council of Chiefs said there would have been an "outcry if they had used any other ethnic group´s hero" as a code name. "Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people, eventually surrendering and living out the rest of his days peacefully, if in captivity," the group said in a statement quoted by the Syracuse Post-Standard. As Geronimo is "arguably the most recognized Native American name in the world," the link "only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about our people."

The top staff member on the U.S. Senate´s Indian Affairs Committee also criticized the code name, adding that insensitive use of Native American names and symbols would be the subject of an upcoming congressional hearing. "These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to native and non-native children are devastating," Loretta Tuell, the committee´s chief counsel, said in a statement Tuesday.

She said it was the latest egregious example of a wider problem faced by Native Americans, whose names and images are used in commerce for everything from marketing professional sports teams to selling tobacco products

 

 

 

 

 

22.       busyb
117 posts
 05 May 2011 Thu 08:52 pm

Religion and politics aside, Osama wasn´t/isn´t a person who deserves to live after what he did (my opinion) and if he is really dead, i´m not going to go round hosting a street party but I can honestly say good riddance. As much as I apose the "eye for an eye" statement, I would be lying if I said that if I was personally effected by his actions or even some general criminal (i.e. someone shot my relative) I wouldn´t want justice served just as bitter.

 

For the US government to decide whether we should see the photos or not because they are "too graphic" shouldn´t be up to them. In my opinion it should be up to the public because after all it´s the public that has been affected so much by Osama´s actions. They want proof and, as someone stated before, closure. In some cases I´m sure that some of the people that were effected (losing a loved one) wouldn´t just want to see those pictures but wouldn´t refrain from wanting to be the person to inflict those injuries upon him in the first place.

I love the way they say it´s too gruesome/graphic yet if I remember correctly we saw the personal hanging of Saddam Hussein LIVE! and it might not be the same type of graphic but watching the 9/11 being shown on every news channel whilst the camera´s got a close up of people jumping out of windows to their own deaths is definitely a sight I would call graphic.

So much for the freedom of information Act...

 

 

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23.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 May 2011 Fri 02:16 am

In my opinion, if someone issues an order entailing the death of a person without trial, he is by all means a murderer.It doesn´t matter if that person is a president. Even at wartime, there are rules governing how the sides can engage one another. The procedures of surrender and the way hostages (POW) must be treated are clearly laid out by way of international treaties.

The US is known to have violated these rules extensively.

In 1992, the American naval forces fired at the Turkish destroyer Muavenet causing the deaths of 5 officers and injuring 22 others during a naval exercise held in Turkey´s territorial waters. The rocket system that destroyed Muvenet is impossible to activate without multiple permissions and orders. In 1993, a group of Turkish officers prosecuted the US Navy. The court categorized this incident as a matter of foreign policy turning the case into a dead end.

We all remember the way the US entered Iraq following false accusations regarding the chemical weapon capabilities of Saddam Hussein regime. No one is talking about Iraq anymore. The country has been conveniently turned into a quagmire.

The US is now threatening Iran accusing them because of their nuclear energy program. We also know what is happening in Libya.

Osama was given the weapons and a pat on the shoulder by the US during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. He defended the same cause and was regarded as a good Muslim then. Later on, he became the bad Muslim. If the US did not get involved in these organizations as a principle, there would probably be no Osama at all.

These violations of the international laws will eventually take us to a war. As a rule, no good comes out of malicious activities. Wars begin like avalanches, first a snow ball then a huge catastrophy. No matter what you have to say, I believe there are worse criminals in high places than those in the streets.

 

 

 



Edited (5/6/2011) by vineyards
Edited (5/6/2011) by vineyards

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