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30.       femme_fatal
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 26 Jun 2006 Mon 07:57 pm

wasseem, why bother me giving only one bedoins example that use coverings to save themselves from the sand that stirred up by the wind? they dont wear those coverings coz they were given such religous orders. waseem, i wasnt born today, i know the life of those women.

mrx, i would argue u, but i wont!
honestly? i know why some women would want to wear such blankets even at such hot temperature. its smth that european women cant figure out, simply they dont know the family life as closer as eastern women like me, and they support the 'religion freedom' idea, having no clue wots beneath that, namely a pressure in a 'holy' family. (actually i face it in every religous ppl be it christian or muslim).
back to the subject, they were brought up so since their birth, and they wanna be seen as good submissive women, they r encouraged to do this in their families. those women who took part in the demonstraions against the 'scarf prohibition' been seen in their families as heros and treated with more respect. its kinda play that i cant accept.

indisputably, i love freedom, freedom of belief and etc! i cant imagine we go back when we just reached the level of open discussions. we cant enjoy so called belief freedom closing our eyes on 'women slavery'. i will not pretend as if its okay knowing the tragedy of those women all over the world!

31.       MrX67
2540 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 08:08 pm

well,i can understand you well kazpol,and i'm agree with you,sure religions brings more limits to females more then that,and i think thats the unfair of humanity,deep of history full with many unjustices to women from men,and thats the reflection of that i think

32.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 08:57 pm

Quoting MrX67:

well,i can understand you well kazpol,and i'm agree with you,sure religions brings more limits to females more then that,and i think thats the unfair of humanity,deep of history full with many unjustices to women from men,and thats the reflection of that i think


im really glad u reply my/our posts, not many men r brave enough to discuss such hard topics, but only those who have pure hearts and treat women properly/equally. i think if men and women live in harmony helping, understanding and respecting each other we wouldnt have so much tragedy and pain. its really hard to change most men's mentality who used to think that a woman is smth that they own, that appears in their life along with a house as a piece of furniture. sad but true!
it makes me think u r a man of honor since u r able to admit such injustice that r women being treated with especially in ur own country. it means that u have ur eyes wide open to all things not only the positive sides of turkish society.

33.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:18 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

wasseem, why bother me giving only one bedoins example that use coverings to save themselves from the sand that stirred up by the wind? they dont wear those coverings coz they were given such religous orders. waseem, i wasnt born today, i know the life of those women.



Fatal_Femme.. So you know where it comes from... Secondly, if these women want to look like' Nuns', they have the right to do So.

34.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:21 pm

I would also like to add that from my experience of Turkish culture, it seems to me that even the women who don't cover themselves and do drop the blankets and look more 'free', they also do these things in order to please men and to fit men's ideas about what women are supposed to be and look like.
There is another side to the conservative Turkish culture, the culture of pornography served with the morning news. Women are valued purely as sex objects.
I'm wondering why nobody mentions the other side of the hypocricy of the situation.

35.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:27 pm

Quoting Waseem_UK:



Fatal_Femme.. So you know where it comes from... Secondly, if these women want to look like' Nuns', they have the right to do So.


do u believe they wanna look like nuns? all of them wanna look like nuns? hahaha so funny!
sure i know where it comes from, not certainly from bedouin tribes!
i wasnt born today, waseem!

36.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:29 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Waseem_UK:



Fatal_Femme.. So you know where it comes from... Secondly, if these women want to look like' Nuns', they have the right to do So.


do u believe they wanna look like nuns? all of them wanna look like nuns? hahaha so funny!
sure i know where it comes from, not certainly from bedouin tribes!
i wasnt born today, waseem!



So where did it come from? Am interested now?

37.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:33 pm

Interesting that all the women in specific areas 'want' to be owned by men, but all women in other areas don't want . Waseem, don't first agree to a society with hypocritical system of values and then say that if women want to cover themselves, it's their decision.

38.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:36 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Interesting that all the women in specific areas 'want' to be owned by men, but all women in other areas don't want . Waseem, don't first agree to a society with hypocritical system of values and then say that if women want to cover themselves, it's their decision.



What society did i agree? I know women who choose to cover; i know women who choose not to and this their free will.

39.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:45 pm

Quoting catwoman:

I would also like to add that from my experience of Turkish culture, it seems to me that even the women who don't cover themselves and do drop the blankets and look more 'free', they also do these things in order to please men and to fit men's ideas about what women are supposed to be and look like.
There is another side to the conservative Turkish culture, the culture of pornography served with the morning news. Women are valued purely as sex objects.
I'm wondering why nobody mentions the other side of the hypocricy of the situation.


first, welcome back!
wot they can do if they were raised so, to fit men's world? its impossible to change their way of thinking, those women raise next women generation in exactly the same way 'with absolutely no change' according to old 'wonderful' customs. the world goes ahead, but those women will stay in a prison of non-breakable old traditions preserved from 600 AD.

waseem may pop up 'those women want that, their dream is to serve men! wot do u want from them?' hehehe, they wanna look like nuns, wot a hypocrisy!

the culture of pornography served with the morning news?
i dont mention this coz im not aware of that! women r an object of sex since the ever beginning.
honestly, we all r hypocrites!

40.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:47 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Interesting that all the women in specific areas 'want' to be owned by men, but all women in other areas don't want . Waseem, don't first agree to a society with hypocritical system of values and then say that if women want to cover themselves, it's their decision.


BINGO!

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