There is one thing I would like to learn. I hope I can explain it. It is something between dictionary and grammar, kind of using grammar for lexical purposes or co-operating of noun case marking and verbs. And it´s very Turkish.

I am attracted to expressions like

         Duymazlıktan geldi ´He pretended not to have heard´

when I see them. There is no word meaning ´pretend´ in the sentence but the meaning comes from a very common verb combined with an ablative ending attached to deverbal noun (am I right?).

These phrases are a lot. Often they have to do with modality or aspect or other finetuning of the meaning.

The problem is expressions like this are hard to memorize. That´s why I thought we could collect them somewhere when we see them. (Of course I could collect them into my own files but it wouldn´t be even half as fun.)  Natives, of course, can list a dozen of them every time they exhalate but even learners can come up with something.

In the old threads I have found information like this about olmak but it is not only olmak that works this way.

I guess you can find these kind of things listed (and briefly explained) in a good dictionary. Do you have any at your hand?

I use the dictionary which is linked to this page. Don´t tell me it´s bad because it is not. Yes, I could probably find them but some communication would make them easier to memorize. Besides, you don´t usually go to gelmek when you look for the meaning ´pretend´. I keep finding them accidentally.

If you go to the "gelmek" item and don´t find "V-mezlikten gelmek" explained there, then it is not that good.

Well, in good hands it is a good one.

Duymazlıktan geldi. You can also come across another version of it which is gramaticaly incorrect but common.

Duy-ma-maz-lıktan geldi. (Double negativity)

I guess you want to create a list. Here are more examples. I guess they are not too many.

1)Bilmezlikten gelmek

2)Görmezlikten gelmek

3)Anlamazlıktan gelmek

4)İşitmezlikten gelmek

I guess I found it:

www.tureng.com

If you make a search for gelmek, for instance, skip the most usual results and roll the page down, you will find a list meanings of “gelmek” with other terms: 100 result(s). I guess this way one can find just anything. I think the best search words are the commonest verbs.

Looking for idioms tureng gives so detailed answers that I feel like I am cheating when I use it.

There are some occurances of gelmek in idioms which I can’t understand even in English. Could someone please give examples of sentences where these expressions are used?

arkasından gelmek ’tag (along) after, tag (along) behind’

ayrı ayrı gelmek ‘straggle back, straggle in’

demeğe gelmek ‘add up to’

katakulliye gelmek, keleğe gelmek ‘be had’

görmezlikten gelmek ‘connive at’

birinin aklına gelmek ‘strike’

I wasn´t sure if you wanted to know the meanings in English.  At least these are definitions of them as i understand them, as a native English speaker.

Thanks, Mavili. I guess you understood my problem. I look at this Turkish idiom and have no idea what it might mean. Then I see the English translation  -  a verb with fourteen different meanings. At that point it looks like I can´t get further by myself. Actually I think the knot may be opened from either side. I will take a closer look at your explanations as soon as possible.