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Çanakkale Şehitlerine - Mehmet Akif Ersoy
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20.       AlphaF
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 18 Mar 2013 Mon 04:39 pm


Quoting thehandsom



The traumas our ancesters went true effected everything. Paranoia, inferiority complex,  not being able to see ourselves equal with the world etc etc.. Even with Canakkale, it is like as if wee need these days to repair our broken pride. Though we did not let allied armies through Dardanels at the time, but in the end, allied forces came to Istanbul later on. 


No, our ancestors suffered lack of capital, lack of educatıon and lack of able bodied men !

We have sorted each problem out, in a very short time. No inferiority complex for us; I have a fairly good idea why your ancestors may differ from us at that point.

İf we (not necessarily you !) need the victory in Gallipoli to keep our prides intact, what do you thnk Allied attackers need for their prides ?



21.       alameda
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 21 Mar 2013 Thu 03:54 am

It is interesting to note all the problems that have grown out of that war, and the redrawing of maps. It appears to me the Ottomans actually kept things much more peaceful than they are now. Look at the hot spots...to begin with Palestine, Iraq, Syria, and on and on......

I´m not longing for a return of the Ottomans, but looking at the mess WWI brought on, it seems to have opened a can of worms. 

Quoting gokuyum

Thank you Abla. I cant say we got over the traumas that WW1 brought. We are more confident now. But people easily remember WW1 and how Europe was our enemy when something bad happens in international relations...



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22.       gokuyum
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 21 Mar 2013 Thu 08:33 pm


Quoting Henry

some of my thoughts on your excellent translation

Şu Boğaz harbi nedir? Var mı ki dünyâda eşi? 

What is that Bosphorus war? Is there an equivalent to it in the world?

I have seen some versions of this poem with boğaz written without a capital letter.

The war was fought around the Çanakkale Boğazı, so maybe şu boğaz in the poem could be thought of as that ´strait´

What is the war of that strait?

and just a few small corrections made in red below

Ne hayâsızca tehaşşüd ki ufuklar kapalı! 

What a dishonourable gathering, because of it the horizons are overcast.

Nerde-gösterdiği vahşetle ´bu: bir Avrupalı´ 

Where is “This is a European.” with the violence he shows?

[normally in English, we use ´an´ when the following noun starts with a vowel, but with words starting with ´u´ or ´eu´, if they are pronounced like ´yu´, as in university, European, then we use ´a´]





1) Şu boğaz harbi :


şu is modifier

boğaz harbi is modified


2) boğaz harbi

boğaz is modifier

harbi is modified


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