Needless to say I hardly understand. It never stopped me from commenting.
I guess the question now is whether de/da in the sentence changes the juxtaposition of the verb with -Ip and the predicate, so to say the target area of the grammatical material of the latter. In other words
There are two events here
1. yollara bakmak
2. boyun bükmek
that speaker´s knowledge of the second event depends on hearsay is obvious. Our discussion here relates to the first event.
I understand tunci answered it with another example:
Ali Amca doğduğu eve gidip derin bir ah çekmiş --> I was told that Uncle Ali went to the very house where he was born and he said a deep "Oh !" [oh! those were the days!]
...now if we add "de" it wont make a difference in the meaning. [in this particular case by putting "de" the action "went" is stressed ]
Ali Amca doğduğu eve gidip de derin bir ah çekmiş
´I was told both the first and the second event´, i.e. He says -miş affects them both.
It reminds me of the talk we had about negation with gokuyum earlier in this very thread.
Talking about negation, I can´t quite catch this difference:
Here´s another example:
gidip gelmemek var = there is (as a possibility) no coming back after going (somewhere)
gidip de gelmemek var = there is (as one of the possibilities) no coming back after going (somewhere)
si++, could you just d-r-a-w it for me?
Edited (4/11/2012) by Abla
Edited (4/11/2012) by Abla
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