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10.       Abla
3647 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 04:22 pm

I recently read about a research which proves that fear of God really works.

 

Religions have often been considered a shelter against crime and unethical action.  Professor Arif Shariff from University of Oregon says it is also important to take into account what those religions teach. He says crime happens more in cultures which believe in forgiving and benevolent God. Religions with a strong penalising element prevent crime more efficiently.

 

                                       http://sharifflab.com/

11.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 10:25 pm



Edited (6/28/2012) by barba_mama

12.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 10:40 pm

 

Quoting Abla

I recently read about a research which proves that fear of God really works.

 

Religions have often been considered a shelter against crime and unethical action. Professor Arif Shariff from University of Oregon says it is also important to take into account what those religions teach. He says crime happens more in cultures which believe in forgiving and benevolent God. Religions with a strong penalising element prevent crime more efficiently.

 

http://sharifflab.com/

 

I don´t know what to think of the article... I read it, but I don´t know if you can draw conclusions the way the professor did. Otherwise he should also conclude, according to these numbers, that being a Muslim makes you commit drug crimes (see the numbers in table 1. of http://sharifflab.com/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=1301) For the staticians under us, it is marked as a significant relationship. In any case, the article itself already states that the causality (what causes what) is not shown by these numbers. So it is not the case that the belief in hell causes people to not commit crime. It can be a personality trait of people that causes them to believe in hell, as well as causing them to not commit certain crimes. I also think it is a shame that national institutions (the laws they have, etc.) are not taking into account.

 

About changing religious dogma´s into laws. If all "sins" would become illegal by law, religion wouldn´t be religion anymore. It would have nothing to do with the choice to be, in this case, a muslim. In parts of the quran it says that you should no force people to be muslim, therefor making being muslim something that is regulated by law in itself anti-islamic. A paradox.

13.       Abla
3647 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 11:03 pm

Quote:barba_mama

So it is not the case that the belief in hell causes people to not commit crime.

 

How come in my thinking the connection is so obvious? That´s what the concept of hell is all about.

 

I have lived in a poor country in an overcrowded slum among people who didn´t have anything but their righteusness based on their beliefs. Everyone knew my door was broken: you could open it by just kicking. No one ever kicked it.



Edited (6/28/2012) by Abla

14.       GulBahar
224 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 11:09 pm

 

Quoting Carlenson

If your Turkish is good enough to understand this, that´s fine
Evde hayvan beslemek


Sual: Köpek ve kedi beslemek günah mıdır? Komşumuz kedi besliyor. Evine gittiğimiz zaman

bizim kız çocuklar ve anneleri korkuyor. Kedi mutfakta yiyeceklere ve içeceklere

dokunabiliyor. Gezdiği yerlerde namaz kılınabilir mi? Kızım, teyzesine yardım ederken, kediyi

görünce, korkudan elindeki tepsiyi düşürüyor. Apartman hayatında köpek ve kedi beslemek

uygun mu?
 

CEVAP

Bir ihtiyaç için köpek beslemek caizdir. Mesela polis köpeği, av köpeği, çoban köpeği, bekçi

köpeği beslenir. Ancak köpek evin içine sokulmaz. Ayrı yeri veya kulübesi olur. Köpek

bulunan odaya rahmet melekleri girmez.

You made it short for me.

But as seen  people are more related and attached to dogs as if they are part of their families?

For the celebrities aren´t they muslim or what? 

 It´s really killing (me at least) to see a muslim who know a little bit about his religion.



Edited (6/28/2012) by GulBahar

15.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 11:19 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

How come in my thinking the connection is so obvious? That´s what the concept of hell is all about.

 

I have lived in a poor country in an overcrowded slum among people who didn´t have anything but their righteusness based on their beliefs. Everyone knew my door was broken: you could open it by just kicking. No one ever kicked it.

 

There IS a connection, but the direction of this connection is not known. It is more likely that there is something else that causes both, even the professor himself says so. For example, biologically some people have preference for rules...or perhaps a feeling of right and wrong. These people might be more likely to believe in hell, and also more likely to not commit crimes.

16.       GulBahar
224 posts
 28 Jun 2012 Thu 11:35 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

One question

 

What happens when all acts classified as "sin" according to religions, also become punishable under civil laws ?

All acts are sins under civil law!

Is the judge going to make himslf a god!

What I do believe in is that if the the civil law takes its rules from Islam, life will be better in all way.

And for your try in S.A. they some times over do things... but not all muslim or sharia courts are the same.



Edited (6/29/2012) by GulBahar

17.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jun 2012 Fri 09:41 am

 A comma, or a breath at the wrong moment, can make all the difference

 

Adam ol baban gibi, eşşek olma.

Adam ol, baban gibi eşşek olma.



Edited (6/29/2012) by AlphaF

18.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jun 2012 Fri 12:02 pm

 

Quoting Carlenson

 

The Angels of Compassion

Question: I said to a neighbor of mine who rejects most of the rules of Islam, “Do not

keep a dog at home, for angels do not enter a place where there is a dog.” He, in turn,

said, “Well, then so much the better because the archangel Azrâil will not enter, either.

Thus, I can live for 250 years.” Is it appropriate for him to utter such a statement?

ANSWER

A person who does not know Islam is a religiously ignorant one. The Angels of Compassion,

the Angels of Haphaza, and the Angel of Death are different from one another. Their

duties are different, too. On the shoulders of each person are angels who record his or her

deeds. These angels enter a house where a dog enters. The Angels of Compassion, on the

other hand, do not enter the following places:

1. A room where there is a picture or a sculpture of a living being (that is, a human or an

animal),
 

2. A place where an alcoholic beverage is drunk or where there is an alcoholic beverage,
 

3. A place where people are gambling or where there is a thing used for gambling,
 

4. A place where a sin is being committed,
 

5. A place where there is a dog,
 

6. A room where there is a junub person,
 

7. A room where there is a musical instrument [a TV, for example],
 

8. A house where no guest comes,
 

9. A place where there are people whose awrah parts are bare,
 

10. A house where parents are disobeyed. (Nisâbul-ahbâr)


Well then, what do we lose if the Angels of Compassion do not enter a house? What are

their benefits for us? Some points that were made mention of in ahâdîth are as follows:
 

1. (If an angel does not enter a house, the devil enters there.) The devil, in turn,

casts evil suggestions in order to make a person do every kind of evil. [What is meant by

angels in these ahâdîth is the Angels of Compassion.]


2. (When a guest pays a visit to a house, angels pray for the host at the dining

 

table.) If angels do not enter, we will be deprived of this prayer.


3. (Similarly, the angels pray for him who eats vinegar at a meal.) When angels do

not enter, we will be deprived of this prayer, even if we eat vinegar.


4. (Angels pray for those who get up for sahûr [the meal consumed before starting to

fast, sawm].) When angels do not enter, such people will be deprived of this prayer of

angels’.


5. (Angels pray for the forgiveness of the sins of him who says salawât.) If angels

do not enter, we will miss out this prayer.


6. (Angels scatter compassion to the places where Allahu ta’âlâ is remembered.) If

angels do not enter, we will be deprived of this compassion as well.


7. (Sixty thousand angels pray for him who does a khatm [that is, who reads all] of

the Qur’ân al-karîm.) If angels do not enter, we will be deprived of this prayer.


8. (Until a person leaves the place he has performed namâz, angels pray for him,

saying “O my Rabb! Show compassion for him.) If angels do not enter, we will be

deprived of this prayer. Besides, if there are things that prevent the Angels of Compassion

from entering, our namâz will be makrûh.


9. (Angels pray for those who teach goodness.) If angels do not enter, we will be

deprived of this prayer.


10. (Thousands of angels pray for him who does some work for his Muslim brother.)

If angels do not enter, we will be deprived of this prayer.


11. (If a person gets into bed with ablution, an angel prays for him until the

morning, saying, “O my Rabb! Forgive him.&rdquo If angels do not enter, we will be

deprived of this prayer.


12. There should not be a menstruating woman or anything else that prevent the angels

from coming into the room where there is an ill person showing the symptoms of death. At

the time of death, a Believer sees the Angels of Compassion, which gives him or her so

much pleasure that he or she does not even feel the pangs of death. If the Angels of

Compassion do not come into that place, he or she may be subject to vexations.

Therefore, we should not do deeds that keep the Angels of Compassion from entering.


The Angel of Death’s taking away souls

It is a very wrong utterance to say, “If an angel does not enter a house, then no one can

take away my soul. So I can live for 250 years.” Why 250 years? Live for 1,000 years,

even never die. Is it possible not to die? Because it is impossible not to die, the Death of

Angel takes away our souls no matter where we are. Likewise, he simultaneously takes

away the souls of those who die simultaneously in various parts of the world. It is like

turning all the electric lamps of a city off at the same instant.


Ibrâhîm ‘alaihis-salâm asked Azrâil ‘alaihis-salâm:

“There are many people in various parts of the world who die concurrently for such

reasons as earthquakes, war, and diseases. How can you reach all of them at the same

time?”


Azrâil ‘alaihis-salâm answered:

“I summon all those whose times of death have arrived, and they all immediately

come into my palm.”


A man of wisdom said, “For the Angel of Death, the globe is like a washtub in front of him.

He takes the one whose time of death has come.”


Sulaiman ‘alaihis-salâm said to the Angel of Death:

“The people whose souls you take away are sometimes young and sometimes children.

How can it be?”


“It is not me who determines the times of death. The list of those whose appointed

times of death have come is given to me. I, on my part, summon them, and thus

they come.”


The souls of Muslims are taken away by Azrâil ‘alaihis-salâm, while those of disbelievers

are taken away by the angels who are at the service of Azrâil ‘alaihis-salâm. That is, he

commands other angels to take away the souls of the sinful and disbelievers, and they

take them.


Not to clean a potty

Question: Is there a religious obstacle to leaving the urine of children in a potty all

through the night?

ANSWER

You should pour the urine into the toilet and wash the potty. You should not leave it with

urine through the night. The purport of a hadîth-i sharîf is as follows:

(Do not leave urine in a container at home. The Angels of Compassion do not enter

such a room.) [Tabarânî]


It is not appropriate to leave even rubbish at home. The purport of a hadîth-i sharîf is as

follows:

(If there is rubbish at a home, barakah is removed from that house.) [Daylamî]

 

 

 

 I am utterly flabbergasted by your excellent essay. Do  you also live in the Unied States?

19.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 30 Jun 2012 Sat 12:21 pm

 

Quoting GulBahar

 

All acts are sins under civil law!

Is the judge going to make himslf a god!

What I do believe in is that if the the civil law takes its rules from Islam, life will be better in all way.

And for your try in S.A. they some times over do things... but not all muslim or sharia courts are the same.

 

The moment a country I live in would be ruled by sharia law, I would move away that second. I don´t think it´s a good idea to make the testamony of a woman less valuable than a man´s, make it legal for men to have several wives (but not the other way around), and more details like that. In broad lines modern laws are highly influences by religion anyway (Islam or Christian), and I think the laws are good just the way they are. It is the following of the laws that is the problem.

20.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 30 Jun 2012 Sat 10:43 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

The moment a country I live in would be ruled by sharia law, I would move away that second. I don´t think it´s a good idea to make the testamony of a woman less valuable than a man´s, make it legal for men to have several wives (but not the other way around), and more details like that. In broad lines modern laws are highly influences by religion anyway (Islam or Christian), and I think the laws are good just the way they are. It is the following of the laws that is the problem.

If you have an extra plane ticket please send it to me

 



Edited (6/30/2012) by gokuyum

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