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Başka başım ağrıyor :(
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05 Jul 2006 Wed 12:59 pm |
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Quoting mltm: It's always like this. Before the simple past tense suffix which is -dı,-di a vowel cannot come, you put -y. It sounds better.
Grammar rules... |
Oh :-S
I thought buffer consonants were only used to prevent two vowels from coming together......something else I am bound to forget again before too long 
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| 11. |
05 Jul 2006 Wed 02:53 pm |
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ohh, now I notice that I made a mistake 
Believe me my turkish has always been good, but I don't bother with this kind of specific rules, so it looks like I sometimes make up the rule itself.
Oku-du (He read (simple past)) it doesn't take anything between. So, my previous rule is not valid.
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known)
+ idin = bilseydin
+ idi = bilseydi
+ idik = bilseydik
+ idiniz = bilseydiniz
+ idiler = bilseydiler
So, it seems at first y comes between two vowels, and then i drops because of vocal.
bilse + m = bilsem (if I knew)
+ n = bilsen
= bilse
+ k = bilsek
+ niz = bilseniz
+ ler = bilseler
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| 12. |
05 Jul 2006 Wed 02:58 pm |
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Quoting mltm: ohh, now I notice that I made a mistake
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offffffffffffffffffffff
stop doing mistakesssssssssssssssss
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05 Jul 2006 Wed 06:53 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Oku-du (He read (simple past)) it doesn't take anything between. So, my previous rule is not valid.
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known) |
But "I read" (past tense) would be okudum wouldn't it?
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| 14. |
05 Jul 2006 Wed 07:51 pm |
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Quoting bod: Quoting mltm: Oku-du (He read (simple past)) it doesn't take anything between. So, my previous rule is not valid.
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known) |
But "I read" (past tense) would be okudum wouldn't it? |
Yes, okudum (I read)
okusaydım (if I had read)
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05 Jul 2006 Wed 08:55 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting bod: Quoting mltm: Oku-du (He read (simple past)) it doesn't take anything between. So, my previous rule is not valid.
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known) |
But "I read" (past tense) would be okudum wouldn't it? |
Yes, okudum (I read)
okusaydım (if I had read)
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Then where does the i come from in:
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known)
+ idin = bilseydin
why idim and idin ???
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06 Jul 2006 Thu 12:18 am |
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Quoting bod: Quoting mltm: Quoting bod: Quoting mltm: Oku-du (He read (simple past)) it doesn't take anything between. So, my previous rule is not valid.
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known) |
But "I read" (past tense) would be okudum wouldn't it? |
Yes, okudum (I read)
okusaydım (if I had read)
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Then where does the i come from in:
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known)
+ idin = bilseydin
why idim and idin ???
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It comes from the past tense of "to be":
-idim
-idin
-idi
-idik
-idiniz
-idiler
bilsem = if I know
bilseydim = if I had known: bilse + idi + m --> the 'i' of idi drops and gets replaced by 'y'
koşsak = if we run
koşsaydık = if we had run
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06 Jul 2006 Thu 01:13 am |
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Quoting Elisa: Quoting bod: Then where does the i come from in:
bilse + idim = bilseydim (if I had known)
+ idin = bilseydin
why idim and idin ???
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It comes from the past tense of "to be":
-idim
-idin
-idi
-idik
-idiniz
-idiler |
Hang on......
According to this tutorial the past tense of the verb to be is:
-dim
-din
-di
-dik
-diniz
-diler
without the preceding i
surely either this tutorial or your explanation has to be incorrect......which is it???
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| 18. |
06 Jul 2006 Thu 01:15 am |
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Thinking more about this, is it the case that the conditional suffix is really -say / -sey and not just -se / -sa ???
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06 Jul 2006 Thu 06:40 am |
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I have already answered in another threads but lets repeat in case somebody reads just this one.
Once Turkish had less suffixes. There were some words to build tenses, conditions etc.
'idi' is one of these omited words. There are also the words 'imiş', 'ise', 'iken' as you see below. Yes, maybe it would make it easier for learners to leave them as words and not transform them to suffixes.
I doubt anybody has ever considered to make Turkish easier for foreigners to learn when making changes on the langauge. On the other hand we know that English was more complicated then it is now.
Anyway, except 'ise', the rest, ('imiş', 'idi', 'iken') are almost omited and replaced with their suffix version.
We used to say 'gelse idi' which is now 'gelseydi'.
Here is some information in Turkish:
http://www.dilimiz.com/dil/TurkDili/trkdili2.htm
Quote:
/ y / koruma ünsüzü: Bu ünsüz, / n / koruma ünsüzünün kullanılamadığı durumlarda, koruma ünsüzü olarak iki ünlü arasına girer:
komşu-y-u
masa-y-ı
pencere-y-i
Ayşe-y-i
Bu koruma ünsüzü, bazen ünlüyle biten bir sözcüğe ünsüzle başlayan bir ek getirildiği zaman da kullanılabilir:
Hasta-y-mış (hasta+imiş yerine)
Hasta-y-dı (hasta+idi yerine)
Hasta-y-sa (hasta+ise yerine)
Hasta-y-ken (hasta+iken yerine)
Görüldüğü gibi, bu durumlarda / y / koruma ünsüzü, aslında ünlü çatışmasını önlemektedir. |
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| 20. |
06 Jul 2006 Thu 02:04 pm |
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We have had a very informative and useful discussion about an answer to the orginal text......but was the original text correct???
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