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10.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 07:17 pm

çok çok teşekkürler

 

Tuzlu Kurabiye



Edited (8/6/2013) by elenagabriela

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11.       Fiskje88
16 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 07:37 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

because verb "istemek" doesnt want object to be accusative.

but if the verb was "öğrenmek" it would want the object "konuşmak" to be accusative.

"konuşmayı öğrenmek istiyorum".

 

 

Önce, herkese çok teşekkür ederim. Memnuniyetle iyi Türkçe konuşmak istiyorum. Çok şükür bana yardım edeceksiniz. Ben de size yardım edeceğim, belki.

 

Ama, sorum var. And I´ll switch to English since the initial question was also put in English...

 

Why doesn´t "istemek" want the 4th case? I mean, you always want SOMETHING, right, so shouldn´t this something be in the 4th case / accusative case?

 

Teşekkürler!



Edited (8/6/2013) by Fiskje88 [Küçük bir kusur...]

12.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 08:02 pm

 

Quoting Fiskje88

 

 

Önce, herkeşe çok teşekkür ederim. Memnuniyetle iyi Türkçe konuşmak istiyorum. Çok şükür bana yardım edeceksiniz. Ben de size yardım edeceğim, belki.

 

Ama, sorum var. And I´ll switch to English since the initial question was also put in English...

 

Why doesn´t "istemek" want the 4th case? I mean, you always want SOMETHING, right, so shouldn´t this something be in the 4th case / accusative case?

 

Teşekkürler!

Yes actually you are right. If it is direct object of a transitive verb it is accusative. But there are accusative suffixes in Turkish which make a noun direct object of a transitive verb. They are -ı, -i, -u, -ü. Some nouns doesnt become direct objects of some verbs without using them. That is why I said verb wants object to be accusative. I guess I should have said verb wants noun to have accusative suffix to become a direct object. I will not do this mistake again. 

 



Edited (8/6/2013) by gokuyum
Edited (8/6/2013) by gokuyum

13.       Abla
3648 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 08:05 pm

Quote: Fiskje88

Why doesn´t "istemek" want the 4th case? I mean, you always want SOMETHING, right, so shouldn´t this something be in the 4th case / accusative case?

 

But it does.

 

istemek
1. /ı/ to want, desire, wish.
2. /dan, ı/ to ask (someone) for (something).
3. /ı/ to ask to see or talk to (someone).
4. to be necessary; to require.
5. /ı/ to ask for (a woman) in marriage.

 

The definite object takes ACC when accompanied with istemek.

 

                              Bu gömleği istiyor musun?

                              Benim onu satın almamı istiyor musun?

 

The simplest istemek construction where the subject of both istemek and the other verb is one and the same can be (and usually is) built with simple MEK infinitive.

 

                               Her sabah pazara gitmek istiyorum.

 

bilmek BTW behaves the same way. They are the only two exceptions to the rule but they occur very frequently of course so it is necessary to know this.




Edited (8/6/2013) by Abla
Edited (8/6/2013) by Abla

14.       Fiskje88
16 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 08:07 pm

So... because konuşmak is a verb it doesn´t need the 4th case? Teşekkürler!

15.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 08:11 pm

Being definite or not if a noun is a direct object it is accusative. But some verbs want nouns to be definite with taking an accusative suffix. For example "öğrenmek" always wants its object to be definite. But "istemek" sometimes wants it to be definite and sometimes not.



Edited (8/6/2013) by gokuyum
Edited (8/6/2013) by gokuyum

16.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 08:19 pm

Simply:

1. If an object is direct object of an transitive verb it is accusative. (With or without accusative suffix)

2. Some nouns dont be direct objects of some verbs without accusative suffixes (-ı,-i,-u,-ü ).

3. If a noun has an accusative suffix it becomes a definite direct object. 



Edited (8/6/2013) by gokuyum

17.       Esra98
49 posts
 07 Aug 2013 Wed 03:19 pm

Aramıza hoşgeldin! Her konuda sana yardımcı olmaya hazırız  

18.       tsilivri
6 posts
 07 Aug 2013 Wed 07:44 pm

arkadaşlar çoğu zaman yabancı müzikler dinliyorum yerli müzikle pek aram yoktur
şarkıların türkçe sözlerini merak ediyorum nette bulamıyorum
hani arada bir bana yardımcı olurmusunuz ? 

19.       Esra98
49 posts
 07 Aug 2013 Wed 07:54 pm

Buradan bakabilirsin : http://www.cevirim.com/  

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