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Possessive exceptions
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28 Feb 2014 Fri 03:37 am |
I know English is full of exceptions but I always was taught that Turkish is a consistent language.
Then I discovered this:
http://www.turkishtools.tourkika.com/possession/
Are there more examples of irregular Possessive forms. I came across
ömür (
ömrüm).
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28 Feb 2014 Fri 02:15 pm |
I know English is full of exceptions but I always was taught that Turkish is a consistent language.
Then I discovered this:
http://www.turkishtools.tourkika.com/possession/
Are there more examples of irregular Possessive forms. I came across
ömür (
ömrüm).
Some words [especially loanwords ] lose their final vowel (apocopate) when a suffix which itself begins with a vowel is added to the noun.
Example:
izin - leave, time off - becomes izn-im [NOT izin-im]- my leave
in the example, the final vowel of the noun root is dropped when adding a suffix which begins in a vowel.
-fikir
fikrimiz - our idea
- keyif keyfi - his/her joy
oğul oğlum - my son
boyun boynu - his neck
nakil nakli - his transport
ahit ahdi - his promise
* In the last two examples above that the final consonant -t has changed into its soft form -d.
kayıp - loss
kaybı - his loss -
* in the example above, -p softens into -b when it takes possesive suffix.
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28 Feb 2014 Fri 02:24 pm |
Below, some more examples :
ağız / ağzı
alın / alnı
bağır / bağrım
beniz / benzi
beyin / beynimiz
boyun / boynu
böğür / böğrüm
burun / burnu
geniz / genzi
göğüs / göğsün
gönül / gönlünüz
karın / karnı
oğul / oğlu
Edited (2/28/2014) by tunci
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28 Feb 2014 Fri 02:54 pm |
I guess that comes from some form of euphonic contraction, that took over to the point it´s not correct anymore not to do it, similarly to what happens in French and Italian with the definite article: la+vowel becomes l´, or in English with a/an.
Is there any kind of pattern to know which words drop their vowel, or is it something we have to learn along with the words? I notice all your examples are 2-syllable words, and the last vowel is i/ı/ü/u.
Edited (2/28/2014) by Khaur
Edited (2/28/2014) by Khaur
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01 Mar 2014 Sat 12:07 am |
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01 Mar 2014 Sat 02:49 pm |
I guess that comes from some form of euphonic contraction, that took over to the point it´s not correct anymore not to do it, similarly to what happens in French and Italian with the definite article: la+vowel becomes l´, or in English with a/an.
Is there any kind of pattern to know which words drop their vowel, or is it something we have to learn along with the words? I notice all your examples are 2-syllable words, and the last vowel is i/ı/ü/u.
You have to learn those words, however there are some indications that gives us a clue about this kind of vowel dropping ;
* Some organ names with two syllables, when they take suffix starting with a vowel, their middle [second] sound drops.
burun ---> burun + um ----> burnum
boyun ---> boyun + u ----> boynu
ağız ---> ağız + ımız ----> ağzımız
alın ---> alın + ın -----> alnın
karın ---> karın + ım ----> karnım
beyin ---> beyin + i ----> beyni
* When some two syllable words having wide vowels [a,e ,o ,ö] in their first syllable and narrow vowels [ı ,i, u ,ü ] in their second syllable , take suffix starting with a vowel, the middle sound drops.
alın ---> alın + ı ----> alnı
resim ----> resim + im ---> resmim
bağır ---> bağır + ım ---> bağrım
gönül ----> gönül + üm ---> gönlüm
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02 Mar 2014 Sun 02:38 pm |
Some words [especially loanwords ] lose their final vowel (apocopate) when a suffix which itself begins with a vowel is added to the noun.
So it should NOT be called "possessive exceptions". It can be called a phonetic development.
The possesive exceptions I know of are:
su -> su-yum, su-yun, su-yu, etc.
ne -> ne-yim, ne-yin, ne-yi, etc
şu -> şu-yum, şu-yun, şu-yu, etc.
bu -> bu-yum, bu-yun, bu-yu, etc.
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Normally possessive suffixes are of dropping kind (after a vowel -m, -n, -si, -miz, -niz, -leri).
pusu -> pusu-m, pusu-n, pusu-su, etc.
anne -> anne-m, anne-n, anne-si, etc.
komşu -> komşu-m, komşu-n, komşu-su, etc.
tabu -> tabu-m, tabu-n, tabu-su, etc.
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Edited (3/2/2014) by Mushin
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04 Mar 2014 Tue 11:02 pm |
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04 Mar 2014 Tue 11:03 pm |
Some words [especially loanwords ] lose their final vowel (apocopate) when a suffix which itself begins with a vowel is added to the noun.
So it should NOT be called "possessive exceptions". It can be called a phonetic development.
The possesive exceptions I know of are:
su -> su-yum, su-yun, su-yu, etc.
ne -> ne-yim, ne-yin, ne-yi, etc
şu -> şu-yum, şu-yun, şu-yu, etc.
bu -> bu-yum, bu-yun, bu-yu, etc.
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Normally possessive suffixes are of dropping kind (after a vowel -m, -n, -si, -miz, -niz, -leri).
pusu -> pusu-m, pusu-n, pusu-su, etc.
anne -> anne-m, anne-n, anne-si, etc.
komşu -> komşu-m, komşu-n, komşu-su, etc.
tabu -> tabu-m, tabu-n, tabu-su, etc.
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If this were English, everyone would be calling these excpetions.
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04 Mar 2014 Tue 11:26 pm |
If this were English, everyone would be calling these excpetions.
If these were Polish, they wouldn´t be unusual enough to call them exceptions
Edited (3/4/2014) by tomac
Edited (3/4/2014) by tomac
Edited (3/4/2014) by tomac
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