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10.       tomac
975 posts
 04 Mar 2014 Tue 11:26 pm

 

Quoting denizli

If this were English, everyone would be calling these excpetions.

 

If these were Polish, they wouldn´t be unusual enough to call them exceptions



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11.       Mushin
71 posts
 05 Mar 2014 Wed 12:18 pm

 

Quoting denizli

 

I said: So it should NOT be called "possessive exceptions". It can be called a phonetic development.

You say: If this were English, everyone would be calling these excpetions.

 

OK No objections to your calling it exceptions but possessive exceptions.

 

I don´t see the possessive suffixes functioning irregularly with those you call exceptions. (I have provided some examples of possessive suffixes functioning irregularly.)

 

There are some irregularities with those words that happen when any (not just possessive) suffix is added to them.

12.       denizli
970 posts
 05 Mar 2014 Wed 04:20 pm

 

Quoting Mushin

 

 

OK No objections to your calling it exceptions but possessive exceptions.

 

I don´t see the possessive suffixes functioning irregularly with those you call exceptions. (I have provided some examples of possessive suffixes functioning irregularly.)

 

There are some irregularities with those words that happen when any (not just possessive) suffix is added to them.

 

Does ömür behave differently when other suffixes are added? As I don´t know.

 

 

13.       tunci
7149 posts
 05 Mar 2014 Wed 06:00 pm


It is " Orta Hece Ünlüsü Düşümü " middle syllable vowel dropping Whether you call it as an exception or a fonetic development, does not change the fact that  there is " vowel dropping"  happening with some words or .  It is not seen only with possessives, it can be seen with other suffixes. For instance , take one of those word:


İzin  + ---> izne   [ to day [s] off  from work ]
Yakında izne çıkacağım  ---> I will have days off from work soon. [ in other words, I will have get holiday from work]


Middle syllable dropping, because, when it takes a suffix, it becomes the middle syllable.


izin


İ + zi + ne    ----> izne


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ömür
ö + mü + re  ---> ömre


Seninle bir dakika ömre bedel ! ---> Being with you one minute , worth a life !


* However, when the suffix starts with a consonant, then the vowel dropping don´t occur.


Ömür + den  ---> Ömürden
Ömür  + de ---> Ömürde
Ömür + süz   ---> Ömürsüz
Ömür + lü ---> Ömürlü
Ömür + se  ---> Ömürse

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