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10.       trip
297 posts
 27 Jul 2014 Sun 08:44 am

Quote: Mushin

Bazen dururum, bakarım = Sometimes I stop and I look

 

We drop the first suffix and English drop the second "I"

This is a very good way to think about it, Mushin. Thank you!

And I need to ask you and gokuyum: Can this be done with any tense? Would you ever say, "Duruyor, bakıyorum"? Or "dur, baktım"? 

And one last question: Is there a reason you would choose this construction over -ip? Perhaps -ip implies a stronger connection between the two verbs? Or is it all the same?

Çok teşekkür ederim!

11.       Mushin
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 27 Jul 2014 Sun 09:25 am

 

Quoting trip

This is a very good way to think about it, Mushin. Thank you!

And I need to ask you and gokuyum: Can this be done with any tense? Would you ever say, "Duruyor, bakıyorum"? Or "dur, baktım"? 

And one last question: Is there a reason you would choose this construction over -ip? Perhaps -ip implies a stronger connection between the two verbs? Or is it all the same?

Çok teşekkür ederim!

 

-ip more universal.

"Duruyor, bakıyorum" sounds OK though "durup bakıyorum" sounds better.

"Dur, baktım" is not possible at all. "Durup baktım" is just fine.

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12.       trip
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 27 Jul 2014 Sun 10:52 am

Quote: Denizli

From the unique Turkish-Colombian "collaboration"

- Yaz Geliyor - interestingly they alternate between Spanish and Turkish but they are singing about unrelated things

- Yeniden Başlasam/Sin Nos Volvieramos A Ver

Thank you so much for all your recommendations, but especially for the ones above. This album is going on my iPod immediately! Turkish and Spanish together -- what could be better! Except I will have to translate two languages now.

Actually, I know "Yoruldum" and "En Doğru Zaman," because I have "Imza" on my iPod. But the others on your list are new to me, and I will have to listen.

Now, about East and West. I love Barış Manço´s music because at the same time it seems very Turkish to me, it also has clear connections to Western music. So while a song like "Halhal" clearly sounds Turkish, it also swings like Western rock. Barış took a Western form, thoroughly absorbed it and then made it all his own. His songs are not imitations of Western music. He was too clever for that, too much of a musician for that. They are original creations that combine East and West and come up with something new and altogether wonderful. Anatolian Rock. 

"Halhal": http://www.izlesene.com/video/baris-manco-hal-hal/1435518

Sıla is similar. While she obviously loves the sounds of her own culture, she also has completely absorbed Western forms. I absolutely love a song like "Seni Görmeseydim," which seems to me very Eastern in its sounds and instrumentation. But I also have to smile at a song like "Dan Sonra," which takes a form I know from my own culture -- the hip-hop of America -- and completely owns it. Even the visuals in the video are perfect -- she´s got all the moves. ... Or in "Alain Delon" the sounds are Eastern -- don´t you think? -- but the beat is Western. It´s Chicago House music re-imagined. ... And, again, I don´t mean to say she is imitating. She is owning! She is creating her own sound.

"Alain Delon": http://www.izlesene.com/video/ozan-dogulu-sila-alain-delon-yeni-klip-2010/2230131

Please don´t misunderstand me. I am not implying that Western music is better or more advanced, or anything like that. Quite the contrary. I think Sıla is making smarter use of some of these forms than many Western musicians do. She makes smart, complicated music.

And I also realize that the beats that I refer to as Western actually came from Africa. Jazz, R&B, rock-and-roll, reggae, hip-hop -- they all owe a huge debt to the music that came to America and the Caribbean from Africa.

All this sharing and merging is what makes music great!

Tavsiyelerin için tekrar teşekkür ederim!

13.       denizli
970 posts
 29 Jul 2014 Tue 03:43 am

Great that you like it. With the Spanish/Turkish album, it was a Colombian group called Ciclon, the album is Shaker. 4 of the songs on the Album are with Sila.

Here is a really good performance on the Beyaz Show with Alain Delon, Dan Sonra and another song, Gol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwnxhw85CNg

I like Köşe Yastığı.

I think I see what you mean, she´s popular and Western while still having a Turkish sound. I think she defines Turkish (contemporary) Music (my opinion, and I´m not saying she´s the only one). If someone asks, what does Turkish music sound like? it´s like: just listen to Sila or Sibel Can. North America does not know what they are missing.

But Vaziyetler (2014) is good. And the video is quite something too. I read on tr.Wikipedia.org that Vaziyetler is her most popular song (weeks #1) second to only Dan Sonra.



Edited (7/29/2014) by denizli

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14.       trip
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 30 Jul 2014 Wed 09:23 am

Quote: Denizli

North America does not know what they are missing.
Evet, haklısın. Kesinlikle! ... But I am trying to teach them, one person at a time.

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