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Addressing people
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 02:49 pm |
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When I go to Turkia (only 4 weeks now - *BouNCe*) I am very keen to practice the little Türkçe that I know and to practice it straight away......so I am trying to make sure I am well prepared!!!
One of the books I have says that it is common to address officials as "memur bey". So when I approach the passport desk at the airport, would it be appropriate to say "merhaba memur bey"?
Then we have a 2 hour transfer from airport to hotel by minibus. Last year the driver spoke no English. I am going to try and sit at the front again......would it be appropriate to address the driver with "selam şoför bey"?
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 03:11 pm |
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Quoting bod: When I go to Turkia (only 4 weeks now - *BouNCe*) I am very keen to practice the little Türkçe that I know and to practice it straight away......so I am trying to make sure I am well prepared!!!
One of the books I have says that it is common to address officials as "memur bey". So when I approach the passport desk at the airport, would it be appropriate to say "merhaba memur bey"?
Then we have a 2 hour transfer from airport to hotel by minibus. Last year the driver spoke no English. I am going to try and sit at the front again......would it be appropriate to address the driver with "selam şoför bey"?
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Yes it would be appropriate to address the driver with "selam şoför bey" and "merhaba memur bey" to officals at the passport desk...
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 03:13 pm |
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Quoting bod:
One of the books I have says that it is common to address officials as "memur bey". So when I approach the passport desk at the airport, would it be appropriate to say "merhaba memur bey"? |
Evet, gayet iyi olur.
Quote: Then we have a 2 hour transfer from airport to hotel by minibus. Last year the driver spoke no English. I am going to try and sit at the front again......would it be appropriate to address the driver with "selam şoför bey"? |
"Selam" and "bey" don't go very good together. Selam is informal and bey formal.
"Merhaba şÃ¶för bey" is a little better but this time you are calling a "şÃ¶för" as "bey" which will immediately catch attention. It is too polite. The "söför" only expects to be called like this by females.
Especially if the driver is the kind of person who listens some arabesk he might even start laughing.
Professional drivers are famous to be tough mannish guys. Taxi and dolmuş drivers have their special slang. There are some books written about this slang language. If a guy looks too mannish you must not talk to him too politely.
Dolmuş drivers get easiliy angry with other drivers in traffic. Usually they start swearing or making some signs in return to the ones who are too slow. Mostly what happens is that they expect some support from the person sitting in front. It is actually fun watching something like this. I can imagine a situationn where the dolmuş driver starts swearing and other guys are mumbling something like "yeah, what a fool that was" and then the female passengers start feeling uncomfortable and after a while you hear a very polite female voice saying "şÃ¶för bey, is it possible to drive a little bit slower, lütfen?"
Anyway, "merhabalar" would be a good start.
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 03:33 pm |
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Quoting erdinc: "Selam" and "bey" don't go very good together. Selam is informal and bey formal.
"Merhaba şÃ¶för bey" is a little better but this time you are calling a "şÃ¶för" as "bey" which will immediately catch attention. It is too polite. The "söför" only expects to be called like this by females. |
Is there a less formal version of "bey" which could be used?
Or could just "merhaba soför" be used?
Quoting erdinc: Especially if the driver is the kind of person who listens some arabesk he might even start laughing.
Professional drivers are famous to be tough mannish guys. Taxi and dolmuş drivers have their special slang. There are some books written about this slang language. If a guy looks too mannish you must not talk to him too politely. |
The situation I am thinking about is not a taxi or dolmus but a minibus transfer operated by the tour operator......I doubt the soför would start laughing - but I shall bear this in mind as I will certainly be travelling by taxi and dolmus whilst in Turkia!!!
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 03:37 pm |
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you can call them as "kaptan" and they like to be called as that way
sleam kaptan or merhaba kaptan could work for you
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 03:56 pm |
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when ever i go through customs at the airport in always say ,merhaba memur bey to the passport controller, and then i end getting into converstions but the more times i say it the quicker my responses are coming
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 05:55 pm |
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i am going to belek soon my friend said the taxi drivers tried to rip him off, is it best to order from the hotel, and how in turkish is the best way to deal with this, teşekkürler
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:03 pm |
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i don't know the best way to deal with taxis in Turkiye but i do know one thing keep an eye on the meter,there are two tariffs one for night and one for day,a frequent practice is to use the more expensive night tariff in the daytime,just watch the meter it should say 'gunduz'for the day tariff and 'gece' for the night.
Hope it helps
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:14 pm |
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well i didnt know that thanks ade,
afferdersiniz su tariff yanlis mi
excuse me thats the wrong tariff isnt it-dogru?
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:23 pm |
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Quoting fish: well i didnt know that thanks ade,
afferdersiniz su tariff yanlis mi
excuse me thats the wrong tariff isnt it-dogru? |
Afedersiniz, şu yanıs tariff değil mi?
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:29 pm |
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teşekkürler bod
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:30 pm |
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Quoting bod: Quoting fish: well i didnt know that thanks ade,
afferdersiniz su tariff yanlis mi
excuse me thats the wrong tariff isnt it-dogru? |
Afedersiniz, şu yanıs tariff değil mi? |
yes true bod or if you want to really English about things you could say 'makine calisiyor mu?'
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:41 pm |
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Quoting Ade1: Quoting bod: Quoting fish: well i didnt know that thanks ade,
afferdersiniz su tariff yanlis mi
excuse me thats the wrong tariff isnt it-dogru? |
Afedersiniz, şu yanıs tariff değil mi? |
yes true bod or if you want to really English about things you could say 'makine calisiyor mu?' |
Why is saying "is the machine working" especially English???
Of course you meant to say:
makine çalışıyor mu?
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:45 pm |
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Taxi's in Turkia charge double the rate when they are going to or coming from an airport.
The reason they and the authorities say is that airports are outside the residental area and they can't find and other passangers when they return.
This is totally stupid as they should not start charging you double while you are still in the city center. But they do.
What I do is that I go to the farest place with normall tarif. Then I change taxis. And only when I'm already close top the airport I start paying double.
Assuming the airport is 10 miles away from you and the reidental area (council districts) ends after 7 miles. When you take a taxi and tell him that you are going to the airport he will swich to the double rate immediately and will charge double for the whole 10 miles.
But instead if you say you are going to town X which is 7 miles away then he charges you normal but never mention the airport. If you do even though you want to get out on town X he will try changing you double for using the word airport (havaalanı .
Taxi drivers in Turkia and the department they are attached to are not among the most intelligent folks.
I once in a smillar situation took a taxi and told the man a place name in the city. The place was called "Pursaklar" in Ankara. It is within the area you can go for normal fare. We went there and everything was normal. I was about to leave the taxi. I had a huge suitcase. I told the man to stop near a taxi stop as I planned to swich to another taxi. He stopped and told me the price. It was the normal tariff. As I gave him the money I made the stupidest thing in my life and I asked him whether it would be possible to go the airport.
The taxi had air conditioning and the other ones in Pursaklar didn't have. They were all the old crappy models. The man suddenly changed his face. I used the critical word. I said airport. Now he told me that I should have told him from the beginning that I was going to the airport and he would have charged me accordingly. He was telling me that it was the rule to charge double when somebody goes to the airport.
But I said "let's assume I'm not going to the airport and I'm coming to Pursaklar. Now we are here and I will pay you the ragular tarif. Again assume I go out and another passanger stops you asking if you would go from Pursaklar to the airport. Would you?"
The man didn't understand a thing what I was telling. At the end I went crazy. I was shouting. There is no logic on the regulatons. It is totally nonsense. Then I changed the taxi and took one of the crapy ones.
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:47 pm |
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Quoting erdinc: Taxi's in Turkia charge double the rate when they are going to or coming from an airport.
The reason they and the authorities say is that airports are outside the residental area and they can't find and other passangers when they return.
This is totally stupid as they should not start charging you double while you are still in the city center. But they do.
What I do is that I go to the farest place with normall tarif. Then I change taxis. And only when I'm already close top the airport I start paying double.
Assuming the airport is 10 miles away from you and the reidental area (council districts) ends after 7 miles. When you take a taxi and tell him that you are going to the airport he will swich to the double rate immediately and will charge double for the whole 10 miles.
But instead if you say you are going to town X which is 7 miles away then he charges you normal but never mention the airport. If you do even though you want to get out on town X he will try changing you double for using the word airport (havaalanı.
Taxi drivers in Turkia and the department they are attached to are not among the most intelligent folks.
I once in a smillar situation took a taxi and told the man a place name in the city. The place was called "Pursaklar" in Ankara. It is within the area you can go for normal fare. We went there and everything was normal. I was about to leave the taxi. I had a huge suitcase. I told the man to stop near a taxi stop as I planned to swich to another taxi. He stopped and told me the price. It was the normal tariff. As I gave him the money I made the stupidest thing in my life and I asked him whether it would be possible to go the airport.
The taxi had air conditioning and the other ones in Pursaklar didn't have. They were all the old crappy models. The man suddenly changed his face. I used the critical word. I said airport. Now he told me that I should have told him from the beginning that I was going to the airport and he would have charged me accordingly. He was telling me that it was the rule to charge double when somebody goes to the airport.
But I said "let's assume I'm not going to the airport and I'm coming to Pursaklar. Now we are here and I will pay you the ragular tarif. Again assume I go out and another passanger stops you asking if you would go from Pursaklar to the airport. Would you?"
The man didn't understand a thing what I was telling. At the end I went crazy. I was shouting. There is no logic on the regulatons. It is totally nonsense. Then I changed the taxi and took one of the crapy ones. |
can't beat taxi drivers in Turkiye
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:52 pm |
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Is there a standard rate for taxi's that is consistent across the country???
In England there can be upto 10 different rates in the same place - the maximum rate for "Hackney Carriages" is set by the local council but for private hire (which you have to pre-book) the rate are determined by local competition!
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 06:53 pm |
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this site certainly is informative thanks all
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 07:01 pm |
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Quoting bod: Is there a standard rate for taxi's that is consistent across the country???
In England there can be upto 10 different rates in the same place - the maximum rate for "Hackney Carriages" is set by the local council but for private hire (which you have to pre-book) the rate are determined by local competition! |
as far i know when you enter a cab in turkiye the machine sets off at 1.5 ytl,then it is charged by the mile,but i'm not sure how much it is,i suppose its how far around the houses they feel like taking you at that time
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 07:04 pm |
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Quoting Ade1: Quoting bod: Is there a standard rate for taxi's that is consistent across the country???
In England there can be upto 10 different rates in the same place - the maximum rate for "Hackney Carriages" is set by the local council but for private hire (which you have to pre-book) the rate are determined by local competition! |
as far i know when you enter a cab in turkiye the machine sets off at 1.5 ytl,then it is charged by the mile,but i'm not sure how much it is,i suppose its how far around the houses they feel like taking you at that time |
As most of the taxis I am likely to use don't have a choice of route, that doesn't really matter!!!
What I was asking was, if I catch a taxi in İstanbul and travel 8kms then will it cost me the same as catching a taxi and travelling 8kms in İzmir???
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 07:07 pm |
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Quoting bod: Quoting Ade1: Quoting bod: Is there a standard rate for taxi's that is consistent across the country???
In England there can be upto 10 different rates in the same place - the maximum rate for "Hackney Carriages" is set by the local council but for private hire (which you have to pre-book) the rate are determined by local competition! |
as far i know when you enter a cab in turkiye the machine sets off at 1.5 ytl,then it is charged by the mile,but i'm not sure how much it is,i suppose its how far around the houses they feel like taking you at that time |
As most of the taxis I am likely to use don't have a choice of route, that doesn't really matter!!!
What I was asking was, if I catch a taxi in İstanbul and travel 8kms then will it cost me the same as catching a taxi and travelling 8kms in İzmir??? |
ive asked my wife and she says that the taxi meters in turkiye are all the same is that direct enough?look i didnt even make a joke
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 07:08 pm |
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There is a standart rate but the standart is different in every city. The council decides on the rate.
So there is a rate in Istanbul and another rate in Antalya and another rate in İzmir etc.
Taxi have those machines that show the price. They a button on them to swich to day tarrif or night tarrif. Night tarrif is after 12 pm.
If you mention the word "airport" they will swich immediately to night tarrif no mattar what time it is and no matter what your location is within the city.
If this diagram if you are on "a" and want to go to the airport which is on "c" you start paying night tarrif from "a to c", all the way long. If you are going from "a to b" you pay normal tarif.
a..........................b..c
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 07:29 pm |
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Quoting erdinc: There is a standart rate but the standart is different in every city. The council decides on the rate.
So there is a rate in Istanbul and another rate in Antalya and another rate in İzmir etc.
Taxi have those machines that show the price. They a button on them to swich to day tarrif or night tarrif. Night tarrif is after 12 pm.
If you mention the word "airport" they will swich immediately to night tarrif no mattar what time it is and no matter what your location is within the city.
If this diagram if you are on "a" and want to go to the airport which is on "c" you start paying night tarrif from "a to c", all the way long. If you are going from "a to b" you pay normal tarif.
a..........................b..c
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HAHAHA standard 'I'll charge you what i feel tariff'
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18 Jul 2006 Tue 08:18 pm |
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Quoting Ade1: HAHAHA standard 'I'll charge you what i feel tariff' |
I suspected that might be the case!!!
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06 Aug 2006 Sun 08:49 am |
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What about rates for dolmus?
How do they work???
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06 Aug 2006 Sun 12:04 pm |
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Quoting bod: Quoting Ade1: HAHAHA standard 'I'll charge you what i feel tariff' |
I suspected that might be the case!!! |
When i have wanted to go anywhere by taxi a turkish friend took me to the car and said somthing to the driver in turkish. He then said to me i have told him not to over charge you, so don't pay anymore than 5 lira
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06 Aug 2006 Sun 12:09 pm |
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Quoting bod: What about rates for dolmus?
How do they work??? |
The ones i have tralelled on have a standard charge per route, so whether you travel a short distance or the full distance you pay the standard charge.
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06 Aug 2006 Sun 01:51 pm |
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Quoting christine: Quoting bod: What about rates for dolmus?
How do they work??? |
The ones i have tralelled on have a standard charge per route, so whether you travel a short distance or the full distance you pay the standard charge. |
Best not to use them to travel short distances then
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