how do i know what?

how do you know about millions of years? what millions of years? where?

I wasnt generally talking about science. Notice that I mentioned westernization and Barba interpreted it as a scientific heritage or technological advance.

didnt you know that westernization means TV, radio, phone and Internet. and the west holds the patten for that?

I am wondering and paitently waiting when Femme/Lemon declares herself a nationalist.. I hope it´s not going to be too long.

That part will never happen. Nationalism is evil. I will not support modern or post modern ideologies.

You should understand that my transformation is not from liberalization to traditionalism.

you asked me what I am now. I answered I am a follower of Jesus Christ. That is the only thing I declare about myself.

I´m going to save the first part of your post in case you decide to modify it later..

There are as many types of followers of Jesus as there are stars, some of them would not hurt a fly, some are proud murderers.

And Jesus himself was a liberal Jew.

hahaha Keep it !

You are right, there are many followers of Jesus. Share some light on them being murderers. or not.

Its a misconception to call Jesus liberal. He was controversial but lived according to the law of Moses. This makes Him obedient not liberal.

Media like internet are a vehicle Westernization. I think I made that point clear but I guess I have to spell it out.

My guess that the remark about Jesus being a liberal Jew, was more about his judging of other people. The way Jesus has been described, Jesus seemed to be well aware of human limitations, and didn´t judge people for these limitations. He was more liberal in the sense that he wasn´t pressuring other people into being very strict Jews, and would judge them and preach doom and gloom if they would slip up. Error is human. This is a good lesson to learn, whatever your religion is. To NOT judge people. He without sin cast the first stone...

Some followers of Jesus have seemed to forgotten all about these lessons. And that´s a shame. People have turned religion into something that is used to judge others, instead of improving ones own ways of living, and improving the lives of others with love and without judgement.

All you stating is that Media and any other gadgets are the tools used for any propaganda.

Jesus was not a liberal. He said those who dont believe in Me will go to Hell. How about that? I repeat He was controversial, because He shook the grounds under the hypocrite jews and their priests. He called to love one another even enemies. Does this make Him liberal? Since when liberty equals love?

Hmm, and in my bible studies they always said that Jesus said he was the son of God, and he himself never actually stated that he WAS God. I guess I need to dust my bible of again, to find that passage in which Jesus said the believe in Me or go to hell comment.

If you dont mind, i will also try to answer this. I am not much knowledged about christianity & its doctrines. But regarding what i read about christianity, i think your question is related to doctrine trinity which is such confusing, in other words not only bibles and gospels. So your question is related to term "triune and or trinity" means "One God in three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". None is greater than the other, none is dissimilar in substance than the other. In that case Jesus is also God and in that case what lemon said is truth according to principles of christianity. Christians please correct me if i am wrong ...

 Actually...he did say in John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."  Which can be loosely interpreted to mean that you will not get to heaven except thru me.  I just hink Jesus was too polite to say..."believe in me or go to hell."  He knew he was the son of God and had an understanding that you must acknowledge that to get to the kingdom of heaven.   

I don´t really want to enter into this argument...but I couldn´t help myself...