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-ebil- suffix and vowel harmony
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 01:59 pm |
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Does the -ebil- suffix obey vowel harmony or is it an exception to the vowel harmony rules???
Which is correct?
alabilirim
alabılırım
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:00 pm |
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alabilirim is the correct one.
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:04 pm |
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Quoting impulse: alabilirim is the correct one. |
So the -ebil- suffix disobeys vowel harmony then!!!
Are -iyor- and -ebil- the only suffixes that disobey vowel harmony or are there other ones as well?
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:10 pm |
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"-ebil" or "-abil"
the letter changed is a/e.
gidebilirim
kalabilirsin
yürüyebiliyor
koşabilirler
"bil" is not changed.
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:14 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: "-ebil" or "-abil"
the letter changed is a/e.
gidebilirim
kalabilirsin
yürüyebiliyor
koşabilirler
"bil" is not changed. |
Evet - because the [i]i[/b] never changes, that is why I say it disobeys vowel harmony! I always thought that this was only the case for -iyor- and that this was only because the o never changes. Plus -iyor- is the only suffix to contain an o :-S
Both vowels in other two vowel suffixes change don't they???
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:31 pm |
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I think it is not about the letter only. It is about its form. "-iyor" and "-ebil/abil" forms. Not about always "i" or "o" letters. Exceptions are about these forms.
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:37 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: I think it is not about the letter only. It is about its form. "-iyor" and "-ebil/abil" forms. Not about always "i" or "o" letters. Exceptions are about these forms. |
What about the -meksiniz- suffix.....
Does that change to -maksınız- (I think it does)
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 02:41 pm |
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Quoting bod: Quoting caliptrix: I think it is not about the letter only. It is about its form. "-iyor" and "-ebil/abil" forms. Not about always "i" or "o" letters. Exceptions are about these forms. |
What about the -meksiniz- suffix.....
Does that change to -maksınız- (I think it does) |
Yes, it changes.
Koşarak gitti X Koşmaksızın gitti.
Sinirlenerek güldü X Sinirlenmeksizin güldü.
Edit: I saw wrong 
You should give me an example about what you say. Why do you want to use -maksınız or -meksiniz?
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26 Jul 2006 Wed 03:18 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: Edit: I saw wrong
You should give me an example about what you say. Why do you want to use -maksınız or -meksiniz? |
I don't want to use then!!!
I am trying to understand WHY the i in -abil-/-ebil never changes to ı. -meksiniz is the only other suffix I can thing of with the vowels e and i in that order......
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27 Jul 2006 Thu 10:19 am |
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As I understand it the abil / ebil suffix comes from "bilmek" = "to know", and this is why it remains the same
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