Over in this thread the -meksiniz suffix got a mention.....would this be a correct usage of this suffix?

Çalışmaksınız para kazanmak istiyorum
I want to earn money without working

" Çalışmaksızın para kazanmak istiyorum "

This sentence is alright. Usually "-meden" is prefered over the "-meksizin". So it would be better this way:

" Çalışmadan para kazanmak istiyorum "

çalışmadan : without working

"Ben de istiyorum ama çalışmadan para kazanmak çok zor."

what is the meksiniz suffix and meden suffix?

Which tense do they belong to ?and where can i check them out ?

They don't belong to any tense. These are verbal adverb suffixes.

As I mentioned in one of my previous replies, the two languages are fundementally different.

A verbal adverb is an adverb that is derived from a verb.
A verbal adejective is an adjective that is derived from a verb.

Example:
Call me when you come.
Gelince beni ara.


English uses preposition such as "when", "while" etc. We have suffixes such as -ince -meden etc.

In this sentence "when you come" is met by "gelince". The -ince suffix means "when + verb".

bakınca : when looking
gelince: when coming

What is "bakınca"? It is a verbal adverb.

Koşarak gel.
Come running.

"Koşarak" again is a verbal adverb. It is an adeverb because it modifies the verb "gelmek" by telling how gelmek should be done. It is a verbal adverb because it is derived from a verb (koşmak).

Koşmadan gel.
Come without running.

Again koşmadan is a verbal adverb.

We make adjectives from verbs as well.
"koşan adam"
"the man who runs"

It must be Çalışmaksızın not Çalışmaksınız

Am I correct?

Evet, haklısın bliss.

-meden önce is used for 'before'. Maybe this is what you ment.

Sen gelmeden önce - Before you came

Yes, kartal is right. Teşekkürler yardımınız için.

It means "before" because the "önce". Verbal adverbs are used together with normla adverbs to build adverbal clauses. There can be adverbal clauses of time, adverbal clauses of reason etc. I remember writing on this issue but I can' find it.

Anyway. Here are examples:

(Verb stem)-dikten sonra : after V-ing
(Verb stem)-meden önce : before V-ing

(Verb stem)-diğin için : because you V-ed
(Verb stem)-diğim için : because I V-ed
(Verb stem)-diği için : because he/she/it V-ed

(Verb stem)-diğin zaman : when you V-
(Verb stem)-diğim zaman : when I V-
(Verb stem)-diği zaman : when he/she/it V-

Going back to the begining of the thread......
Erdinç said that "çalışmaksızın para kazanmak istiyorum" is OK but that "çalışmadan para kazanmak istiyorum" is better.

Why is the latter better?
What is the difference in meaning?
When is -meksizin used?

And while we are on the subject.....how is -mezden used?