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pronouns part 2
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26 Aug 2006 Sat 11:05 am |
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No,its ok,i understand what you said,and i understand that triple negative thing too
thx,
but here
Hiçbir şey görmedim : I didn't see nothing
Hiç means Never, so in English we consider it double nagative
But i may understand,so correct me if i am wrong pls,
Here in this sentence,from Türkçe point of view,it is only 1 negative,because hiç doesn't considered a negative sentense ,it is only supportive with the negative sentence,or with a question
But in Türkçe point of view,
Double negative is when we use 2 negative suffix together,like (ma) negative suffix with (değil)
Or double (ma) negative suffix together
İn this case,the double negative mean affirmative
Doğru mu ?
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27 Aug 2006 Sun 07:37 am |
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Quoting CANLI: No,its ok,i understand what you said,and i understand that triple negative thing too
thx,
but here
Hiçbir şey görmedim : I didn't see nothing
Hiç means Never, so in English we consider it double nagative
But i may understand,so correct me if i am wrong pls,
Here in this sentence,from Türkçe point of view,it is only 1 negative,because hiç doesn't considered a negative sentense ,it is only supportive with the negative sentence,or with a question
But in Türkçe point of view,
Double negative is when we use 2 negative suffix together,like (ma) negative suffix with (değil)
Or double (ma) negative suffix together
İn this case,the double negative mean affirmative
Doğru mu ? |
Doğru.
As for never vs hiç, yes it is only supportive as you said.
When there is "hiç", there should also be some sort of negativity.
In Turkish, we have yok, -me-/-ma- and değil to make negative sentences:
Ex:
Hiç yok -- there is none (of it)
Hiç para yok -- there isn't any money
Bilmiyorum -- I don't know
Hiç Bilmiyorum -- I don't know at all
İyi değilim -- I'm not fine
Hiç iyi değilim -- I'm not fine at all
Hiç görüyor musun? -- Do you ever see him?
Hayır, hiç görmüyorum -- No, I never do
Hiç paran var mı? -- Do you have any money?
Hiç yok -- No, I don't (have any)
As you can see from the examples, It may mean never, any, not at all in various cases.
It is not used in positive sentences. And it is supportive in negative sentences.
As for your double negative example.
I didn't see nothing.
We still have negative meaning here. I would expect affirmative meaning when there is double negative.
not (not x) = x
Like the following:
I am unable to see it -- I cannot see it
I am not unable to see it -- I can see it
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| 12. |
27 Aug 2006 Sun 08:05 am |
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Çok TŞK 
Anladım
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