I have a boyfriend who lives in turkey and i live in england . we have been together 6 months and i am due to see him again in october. he would love to come to england for the winter but has not much money to show the embassy for travel visa, i can afford to keep him whilst he is here but have no large amounts of money saved.
would it be easier for me to move to him?? although i do have 2 children .

also we would like to get married in october but i have looked into it and it seems they want a health certificate -- for what i am not sure .. and a cert. of no impediment..

can someone please please give me some advice???XXXXX

am beginning to think we can never be together

finally what we would like is for us to spend summer in turkey ,i work at local college in uk , so i have summer off and then winter in england.

sorry if all this is a bit jumbled up but all i want is to be with the person i love

Hi, welcome to the Forum. This issue was discussed here a while ago. Have a look at it:

ENGLISH - TURKISH RELATIONSHIPS

hi daydreamer--- thank you for the welcome-- i think this is a great web site and it makes me realise i am not alone
i have read what you suggested-- i found it very full of mixed feelings. my man is 36 and i am 38 so i am no young girl!!!! i would love him just to have holiday visa as then we can have a 'trial' run at living in england. i must agree tough that many turkish men are total charmers -- i have a 18 yr old daughter nad they never left her alone!!!! i don't see how my man can really use me for a visa as i have no savings and i think that even if you marry it doesn't guarentee a visa.

anyway it is only 5 weeks and 3 days til i go back -- so wish me luck and i will let you know what happens ,,

thanks again for being here, elaine x

Hi,

You will need a full birth certificate to get your non impediment... take it to your local registry office and you can buy one there ... I think its about £41 Im not sure.

Its easy really

Merhaba to everyone. I am new on this forum and I like this relationship topic. I want to live in turkey but I also have 2 kids, so it is too much difficult.(but in my dreams not impossible).
I was there before 2 weeks for the first time and felt like I am at home.
I am in love in turkish people and culture for the last 12 years. The east and west cultures in one country - one city Istanbul.
Of course, I met my friend there after 6 mounths chating and he treated me like I am special. i feel like he is my best friend ever and missing him very very very much.
I am missing everything....Istanbul houses, streets, wind....and specially nice people there...
I hope that my dreams will become true....soon!
Nothing much, just that!
Bye,

hi anavi,
was lovely to read your message--- nothing is impossible ,but i know it is hard when you have children to consider too. i am going to do everything i can to make things workout when i go back in 5 weeks time, keep in touch and it is great that i now do not feel so alone , EALINE XXX

i have a question.... why all of these relationships are between turkish boys with foreign girls? and not turkish girls with foreign boys....

Well not to offend anyone but I think you have to look at the conditions under which many of them meet, it's not an environment where you typically see many turkish girls. Girls are typically also not players, if they decide to have a relationship with a foreigner it's with genuine intentions.
(These are just tendencies arkadaşlar, don't attack me please of course there are plenty of reverse situations as well)
With that said we have a wonderful example of turkish girl - english guy right here on the forum

oh that's great, i feel better now

love doesn't know race,nationality etc..so they say love2s eye blindbut thats certain to time kills love with the life realities to,so love really needs big dare

can i ask something? talking about long distance relationships i have been with my turkish boyfriend for nearly 2 years. i know he does not want to live in england. do you think i am being used for anything?

i am planning on living there yes what sort or reasons would he need to give me? long distance is hard

No, you don't want someone that will hurt you, but how can this question be answered in Turkish Class?
She is the one that knows how he treats her. She has been with him 2 years so it seems reasonable to expect that to be a fairly good indication, but there are far too many women who don't know their self-worth and who stay with men for the wrong reasons....it really impossible to know here.

thankyou for your posts really appreciate them

Gosh ~ is a sustainable relationshiop between any man and any woman of any nationality possible!!!???

Im so glad that I stumbled across your post because I am going through all the same things, wondering how on earth I can pick up me and my kids and move over to be with someone.
I dont think he will be able to come here to live - he is 24 and hasnt done his national service yet. Its very cpmplicated and distressing to have to be apart and think of all these things.
Tell me how you have sorted things out

rofl vai vai indeed

Nope!!!

I love the culture and everything to be honest!!
and i will love to just visit turkey, cuz my dadd
and mom , they went over ther some yrs ago, they tell me that it's beutifull, but so far that's it!!
i haven't fall in love with any turkish!!

couple friends, that's it !!

Though this is true, the reason being for it is that "women often follow their husbands religion" so therefore women change their religion if they marry someone of another religion.
Oh by the way just to point out that I quoted this because in my opinion it's complete bullshit (forgive my language) because as we all know there are some women in Islam that do not follow their husbands religion and keep with their own.

If two religions/cultures cannot happen in a relationship then in my opinion that relationship holds no respect. If someone asked me to change myself for them because they didn't agree or their faith was different etc I would tell them exactly where to go!

Don't worry !!

u are fine !!

sui,
gosh, shes cool!

hey femm , you became the spokesman Islam But lacking sufficient expertise on Islam to talk about women's rights at the absence of muslim members

Just forget about it. Holiday romances do not work.

Moderators why don't you take action against this person when she disparages all Muslims openly, in a public forum.

Why didn't you join the war in Iraq on the side of the US troops femme. You would have a chance to spit on their holy book.

most westerners are definitely unaware that in many muslim communities live with a huge hatred towards the WEST. they make up so many funny stupid stories to spread up among themselves and they believe it.

as for catwoman or teaship poped up with why muslims dont criticise the islamic terrorism and fascism, which is absolutely true. most of muslims were so proud of terror attacks, they thanked allah.

when i raised the issue of darfur, nobody cared, although it was arab islamic militiants who have done genocide on 200 000 (or more) poor people, and the killers were not punished by the sudanese gov, instead the gov supports them calling them heros. the west went silent for the sake of f...ing OIL. and of course CANLI the great muslim lady had joked on this tragedy. but strangely she complained and moaned when they sentenced saddam.

Sorry, femme I didn't realize they were on a picnic party in Iraq. Obviously the US courts are investigating torture and desacration offenses just because they are affected by these rumours.

The statistics don't tell the truth. Thousands of lives are being lost in Iraq just because the Iraqi citizens are barbarians who cannot even appreciate the chance offered to them for getting civilized.

If you were a mature person, you's sit at your desk and read a little bit before making those teenager comments.

Stop bashing Turks and Islam. I am not a Muslim but I respect them and think they are at least not as barbaric as you claim.

Obviously you have all the proofs about everything. So, point at an objective source and we can read the truth.

As for Armenians. We should leave this discussion to historians. Even they are not agreeing on certain facts.

If we really committed such a genocide God damn my ancestors who did that offense. We must both apoligize and pay whatever compensation they may claim in that case.

You may think this has already been proven, I think it has not been. Obviously our version of the account is quite different. No one on our side claims we killed all those Armenians. There are references to an Armenian organization called Tashnak party. They join the Russian invasion of our Eastern provinces and begin tormenting locals gathering them in mosques and burning them. Then there is hatred between those people. In many cases there were Armenian villages next to a Turkish one. They fight with one another and kill one another in large numbers. Then Turkish troops take these separatist Armenians and drive them away from the region. A number of people died during this long and difficult voyage which took place on bare foot and in severe warfare conditions.

I don't believe in either account. I think both Armenians and Turks are exegerating. Research is still continueing in this matter.

oh, sure i also know one thing thanks to ottoman empire, the america was discovered!

Then stop the show you are carrying on and let's continue by PM's from now on.

That's the word to use in this connection. If I am wrong a native speaker could correct me.

Where did they teach you this story about barbarians. Everyone used to be a barbarian if you go back in time sufficiently. Would you want to live in the Mediaval Europe for example?

Yes, you mean, you lined up in front of an embassy like all the other Speedy Gonzaleses who want to beam themselves to a civilized part of the world; and you obtained a visa for yourself. It is not a problem for you to have an identity of your own. An instant identity will do the job. Have you become a civilized European dear just because you obtained the visa? If so, think whom you are associating with even your best friends routinely complain of lovers of the West like you who come to settle down in their countries.

If you ask me it is a virtue to love one's country and to work for it. You have nothing to be proud of when it comes to culture unless you take others' culture for granted.

I do have a couple of Kazakh friends here in Turkey, when I ask them they describe their country much more positively than a wanna-be-western girl like you. I respect them for whatever they are. Because whoever they may be they will return to their countries and work for their own people holding on to their own values and resources. They certainly do not need people like you. You are a shame for the Kazakhs too.

if you hate the WEST what the heck you wanna join EU!

That's it I claim that I don't hate the West and you claim you hate the East. You have admitted your hatred so get the hell out of here this is a site for the learners of an Eastern language.

How come that this forum was initially about man-woman relationship? :-S
Maybe you two love each other???!

Deep in my heart - there's a fire - a burning heart Deep in my heart - there's desire - for a start I'm dying in emotion It's my world in fantasy.

Modern Talking


P.S. It is up to you to find a way to flame this one too.

vineyards
you just cant disguise the history and the facts

So, you've come here to bug people. Turks being barbarians shouldn't be a given a chance to promote their culture and language.

Moderators, why aren't you taking action. What else does she have to say?

Again You chose to answer your own question not mine. I asked you which one of the statements of femme you were endorsing.

Intresting battle field here , I am touched to have a word ...
Just saying what one of my friends told me who is living in Finland, by the way he is a boy:
1. One of Finish ladies got a trip to Turkey, Analya she is 45 years old and she met teenagers of 18 and 19 Turkish boys telling her ... ( Seni seviyorum ), ( senle evlenmek istiyorum..!!!)
2. He, My friend , on one of the Turkish forums introduced himeself as a European girl and put a photo of a girl... He told me you can't believe how many requestes I got from the Turkish guys... hahahahhahaaaaaaaa

Well... they say life can be pink

NOW my friends what do you think
1-is a relationship between turkish man (vineyards)and European woman(Femme) possible????
2- shall femme stop attack Islam ?
3- who will win the war vineyards or Femme
voit please, in WWW.TURKISH CLASS LANGUAGE
we will wait you ,thanks for your voit

seriousy doing my head in!

From what I can tell, you don't care about having friends or how people feel or if you offend people...but you do care about what seems to be a one-woman battle to free oppressed Turkish women from their culture and religion, and the only reason they are not complaining and asking to be saved , is because they cannot see what you see. Is that right?

Is idiocy contagious?

We are actually saying the same thing. Religion is a part of your identity. Nobody knows the ultimate purpose of existence of man on Earth. What is your suggestion? Should we constitutionaly ban religions? Religions do teach love, and tolerance too. It is evident that everyone doesn't care about those aspects of religions. Would they be able to become better individuals if we freed thems of the burden of their faiths?

Would we have fewer murderers or rapists? If the bond of religion among ordinary people were released, would people spontaneously metamorphose into self-contended flower children?

When making comparisons you should base your arguments on examples from similar socio-economic groups. The poorer a country is, the poorer the educational level of a greater percentage of its people will be. If you base your assumptions on how those ignorant people view their religion, you will end up with a wrong conclusion.

And don't forget Hitler was a Christian too and, he was a very smart person. Here is a quick quoatation from a web site at : http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

"Hitler's Christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them.

by Jim Walker"

Now here is the question: hitler's understanding of the Christian faith had a massive following in his day. The result was a tragedy. Was it the Christian faith that was responsible for that? My answer will be no. I read about the life of Jesus Christ and I would say he would see no difference between Herod and him.

I am amazed these religious, and in particular anti-Islamic posts in a Turkish Language forum have been allowed to continue. It is clearly against the rules here.

People are talking about things they know nothing about. It's rude and disruptive.

People spend years in theological schools studying these issues. There are many different schools of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and other religions. This is NOT the place to get into these dialogs.

What is the point? It looks like an attempt to provoke and agitate. If you want to debate religions, find a forum for that, don't do it here.

I would suggest not responding to Fem_Fatal's rude and insulting comments. Don't give her any fuel.

Also we can see from history that the Frenchs invaded Algeria and killed over 1 million civilian Algerians, a genocide. Italians invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of Libians, Spanians invaded South America and killed millions and converted all the people in christianity forcefully with assimilation, no need to mention England they invaded nearly the all world and so on. England, France, Italy and Greece tried to invade Anatolia in WW1 but thankfully they were kicked out. Will all of them apologize what they done the world? Lets see the barbarians then. Ohh i forgot, add these also the continent Africa and Australia. You just cant disguise the history and the facts.
And for the slanders about Islam, no need to mention all are crap, nothing to do with İslam.

Common Queries on Islam....

http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/mcqnm.htm

ANYWAY BACK TO TOPIC

" it's like milk. some people hate milk and can give all sorts of reasons why they hate milk(people who dont agree with a certain religion and dont follow it). Some love milk and can support why they love milk so much(People who agree with the religion and follow it). Some people can do with or without milk (People who dont really care)Some loves milk but their body cant take milk!(People who loves a religion and respect their practises but still feel the religion is just not right for them, and so be it..) "...

Bright way to show your point of view Zettea...! I had to quote you

As for Darfur,
Darfur for those who dont know,is south of Sudan,in Africa
İts actually part of Sudan.
And a few few years ago they've discoverd Uranium there,'sorry,not oil!'
And guess what,
Suddenly this poor area got weapons,and start to demand to be sperated from their mother country which is Sudan
And then start to sing that lovely song about how the government mistreat them 'as most of them have become Christians'
And then the Great countries out of their kind hearts want to help Darfur people ,not for the Uranium of course !

İ wonder,who has giving them the weapons at the first place,and why ?!

Opppss,forgot to add,Sudan İS a Muslim Country !

There's a difference between EQUALITY and EQUITY. A man and a woman can never be equal face it! they are not meant to be equal. Equity is the way.

dear all (muslims and infidels)

if i hide my thoughts (about religions, history and politics) under the carpet and make a stupid face to an evil game, you would accept me, and would bless me clapping your hands, but then it would be a hypocrasy.

long ago i have decided that i would be speaking my mind (wether its inconvinient or not to the majority) than keeping silent.
theres a saying in my country: "silence is a gold". well, i disagree with it. "silence is cowardness". those journalists who keep silent and dont talk of difficult issues are safe in all aspects, but those who reveal the facts are often found dead after they dared to print "the shames". this usually happens in eastern countries.

dont expect that i will nod my head and tolerate the injustice.

It just makes no sense to me that you are on this site with your constant remarks on the religion and culture. If you do not like it, then don't come on here. I'm sure you can find an anti-islam site. But it's in very poor taste to do it in this particular site. If I had certain negative feelings towards christmas I wouldn't join a site about Christmas and just keep telling people there is no real father christmas, or keep moaning about the commercialism of Christmas, ruining it for the other people on the site. please, have some respect for the site and the users on it. Just because you have an opinion on their religion, does not mean you have to keep on when people on here clearly love their religion.

is a relationship between turkish man and zimbabwen girl possible?

I just wonder, thanks