OK I think we’ve had enough of this mad situation over here.

Where are you dear admins? Don’t you care about what your creation is turning into? This was supposed to be a website that was built out of love and it’s main purpose was to help people learn the Turkish language and collect info about Turkia and it’s culture. And the general forums, were like a meeting place for the members, where they could get to know each other better through a lighthearted humorous chat, or through friendly debates. Is that what TC is now????

Let me tell you what TC is NOW:

A low quality translation center, with hostile members who don’t lose a chance to argue with each other about almost everything. Even the most naïve comment, is enough to make members attack each other. The Turkish members are keeping their mouths shut and the foreign ones are chatting about their own countries. I m sick and tired of reading about U.S. and U.K. in a forum that is supposed to be about TURKIA! The only pieces of Turkish poetry and literature that I can see lately, are the parts of the poems that a Turkish lover is sending to his British girlfriend and their translation is requested. The only news we are reading about Turkia, are the bombing attacks. On the other hand, I can read a variety of posts about crime in the US, pervert political parties in Holland and so on. Should I start posting the news from Greece as well??? Yeah I know this is an international community with members from all over the world. But all those members should have one common purpose: to learn about Turkia. If not, then they should be members of some other site. There are billions of them out there in the net.

What I ve also noticed and only ONE member so far had the courage to point out (thx Robin), is that some of the newest members of TC don’t even know how to speak and write their own language (i.e. English), while they try to teach the rest of us how to speak and what to think. I am Greek and I m trying to learn a 3rd language, through a forum that is “speaking” in another language that also is not my own. It’s so difficult, but still, when I write, I try to write correctly and with the fewest mistakes possible. I find it insulting, when I see a British member, using words like “nuffing” for nothing, “I no” for I know etc etc. Why do I have to be careful when I type but they don’t? At least, I am the one who should be tolerated, since I m trying to speak and learn in a language that is not my real one. For God’s sake show some respect to all those who are trying to learn something here.

I am the one (together with my twiny and a few more) who used to ride the forums and spoil them. But even then, we were only trying to tease and light up the atmosphere using some good (I hope) humor. But even in my worst nightmares, I couldn’t imagine what is happening in TC these past few months, and more intensively the past few weeks. Fun is good. Nobody likes a site strictly educational and with no freedom of speech. But this is too much!

I would love to finish this post, with saying that I m withdrawing from this site (not that anyone would care….). But I won’t do it. Not just yet. I’ve loved this place like my home and I’ve considered the members of it like a family for too long, to quit just like that. But please! DO SOMETHING before it’s too late!

Thanks in advance
Sophie

(By the way, I m posting this message in the announcements' forum, only because I saw that admin is the only moderator here. Maybe this way I can catch his attention)

*****oooffff yaaaa! Had to get these off my chest!******

Not all us British people are like that I have found a new site which started very recently. I don't like it much here anymore

Ellerine ve düşÃ¼ncene sağlık Sophie! I appreciated your reviews. Such a good writing I read indeed.

Merci.

nothing to say neighbour. Ellerine sağlık

i agree with you sophie , its a pity it has come to this like you i have spent many hours on this forum, we all have things we have to deal and cope with in life ,but i come here for something i feel passionae about, but i feel uneasy in here at times, but like you im not quitting, i try not to read all the,lets say , undisirable converstations in here.

come on guys group hug


i apoligise for any spelling mistakes

well deli,,i will forgive you because you are always so polit my dear..hope you feel better soon

polite i meant..i guess it is catching

aengima theres no need to be disillusioned..this site is still helpful and of use..its just people are making more use of the forums to debate things that are unrelated to originial topics..im sure none of it is directed at people personally..

my spelling in that was horrendous..of course i meant aenigma and original..

no i dont think being rude or hostile is necessary..did u not see my reply to heidilovesosman yesterday..there was no need for such language when everyone was not using it..

...and so it begins...

I rest my case...

I totally agree...

I remember a time when if anything political was mentioned, it was instantly deleted. Endless Turk-Kurd debates were deleted, even though the debates didnt include any offensive language, were well written and quite informative.

Now however, the site seems to have a new 'anything goes' policy, and the forum (and chat room) is full of political debates. Iam not against a good debate, and I find some of the issues brought up quite relevant, but when people (especially women) are being told to 'sht their mouth ladie..and get a new hairdo..or do sm cookin', I think that its unacceptable!

I even doubt whether the admin will even read this thread nevermind respond to it, they certainly dont bother responding to any complaints or private messages so why should this thread be any different?

i'm not quite sure what you are assuming has begun aENIGMA..have i been rude to you?:-S i don't think i have..

This thread is, I feel, about to be locked by admin or moderators for inappropriate context posts following.

(Ehi!)

@ Pandora: every time I ask the admin something by pm I get an answer, so nothing to complain about.

About the topic of Sophie: I hope I am not one of those spoilers. If I am (being a newbee I do not know the history), let me know, I can learn.

What I find a pity is that most of the topics are about translations of sms. The parts about travelling and Turkey itself are much less used. Those are the parts I am interested in.

And about using English, sorry it is not my mother tongue so I will make mistakes. I apologize for that.

trudy hun..i dont think it was aimed at people in specific..this site is here for people who want to learn about turkey..and yes i agree with u, unfortunately the parts of the site relating to turkey itself are unutilised

I am sure TC will survive this crisis.It is interesting to note that many of the regular contributors joined this site almost 1 year ago in October and November 2005.

yeap still slogging it out joey

komiksin

birde bazen biraz deliyim

thats wrong

thats better

İ agree with you sophie too,
İ'm not an old member of the site,i've joint at July 2006 or something.
But yes,the site has changed so much in those past weeks,as if no one is able to accept a word from the other anymore.
Even slight objection become an issue!
No one accepting the fact that everyone is entitled to his opinion,and that must not be an issue between each other here.
And the language of the debate had become so low sometimes i find it hard even to comment,i just shake my head wondering what's happened !

But i don't mind read about other countries news too,or debates,but in organized manner,at off the topics Forum,not in a translation thread which in the end it turns into an endless argument !

The site need to be organized again,and to remember we are here to help each other,not to fight with each other.

İ hope admin do something about it,for the Moderators seem a bit busy to follow what's happening .

İ don't believe i would have say this,but i really miss reading this 'This thread has been LOCKED'

i so sorry about my spelling i find it hard to spell so i cant help it alright so there no need to stress about it you havent thought about why i spell rong have you no i dont think you have and theres no need to worry cos im not gonna be on this site much longer

I don't think there is anything wrong with giving your opinions here or having a friendly debate. I think it's how it is conveyed or perceived that is the problem. However, I do think there needs to be a seperate forum set up for this. On many of the Turkish sites I belong to, they do have a forum for religion and politics. I personally gain tons of knowledge from hearing about different religions and political views. By setting up a seperate forum for this, if you aren't interested by the content, you don't have to participate. "It's better to debate a question without settling it, than to settle a question without debating".

@ aenigma: I would love to discuss politics and religion (though I am not religious myself - I am an agnost). With you I do think a separate forum is needed for that and, more important, quite good moderation to prevent those things you quoted.

I guess I missed those comments. I didn't realize people were being so harsh here. Maybe we could set up a forum titled "Anger Management".

I absolutely second your opinion sophie.Since the old memebers of the club and the moderator is somehow missing recently everything became such a mess.Everybody knows which aenigma is refering to but since we dont have the power and its beyond our dignity to deal with those people we can just bear their offends and rude remarks.Before couple of days I too had a minor argument with the so called member and decided to stop entering this site.Then after that I reconsidered my decisson because i thought:Well,I guess if we all do like this the site we soon be `polluted` by rude people and will extinguish.So better not pay attention to small talks,keep our head straight and go on.Best regards to everybody who loves this country and respects all her friends!

I agree with teaship...it is important to debate political issues.

I am a 'new' member and like it here. I love to hear others' opinions. I think that a separate forum would be lovely to participate in, if it will keep the 'old' members happy.

how nice talkng fo people...Everybody perfct in this forum..no 1 did mistake or rude.. all of you doing depdate very nice.. only i rude and i type all the english words wrong..

Dear admin open this website to let people learn smtng about turkey turkish culture and people...he alrdy did the miracle.. now turn fo people here who really want smtng...is tht hurt to talk about usa or other country?..so sophia mean im from greece but you cant learn myculture or other country people culture...if i cant ask or deptade smtng wht the website point..

so from your mean..no 1 can write english here coz its turkish website..holy hell..

The miracle of people.. if they know how to use mind to teach smtng..Like turkish said AZ LAF COK IS..
This is the problem in this website...who dunno smtng talk bullshit about turkish..who wanna learn about turkish here is the website people share their opinion and deptade ..i dont thnk so the problem is here people type smtng wrong this is their english..even im turkish i not usng rght turkish grammer and not so many people using grammer in turkey whn turkish people are talkng..
Ladies alwys ask help from admin did they look theirslf?i dont thnk so..they only know how to open post and type smtng to make people fght..(some in this forum)
if any1 dont like me this is their business..no 1 force them to read mypost and answer..and some 1 still posting and saying to me you are agresive and idiot..yaf if im idiot or not respct other people why u open post and still write?if im nothng why u dare to write?i feel so strange..i see tht got problem with me still wanna fght wth me..
This website really so excillent if you know how to use it..and no1 force people stay here..if you dont like ..wich website is good can go there.. but u cant say tht here is bad.. coz u not make it..u not spend your time to do all those things but admin did..
if you need love from people u have to give sme..if you need respct u should show sme.. coz 1 hand cant make sound you have to use 2 hands to make it..

I realy wish to this site remain to be just about language and other turkish stuffs, I'm begginer there and i came just to try learn language throug other one not my native.
If you have doubt, to remain here, please don't, just stay!

im gonna stay on this site because of the reason i want to learn turkish so i hope thats alright with everyone and im sorry if my spelling is bad but i cant help it!!!!

yes i understand but i cant help the way i spell i have already said that i find it hard to spell i always have done thats maybe why im finding turkish hard im very slow when it comes down to learning so are a lot of other people so its not just me!!so once again i am sorry to everyone who is trying to learn english but you have to understand that people to struggle with there own language not just a new one.

Sophia dnt get me wrong.. whn i say smtng here..i jst wanna ask you whn you post here why pple cnt talk others..no other meaning..and i not said you are wrong..i jst ask why?..
and i not said you not respct coz i never see around herei wrote coz some of ladie here really want action or no 1 dosent care of them.. so they jealous and start to be pozitif..
yea i agree if people wanna talk about bush or blair they have to go their website..but you forgot smtng here..Im a turkish and i would like to learn here whts going on around there.. coz if i wisit their website mostly saying lieif u ask me why u say like tht(media all around the world on their hands wht they say pple mst follow them) like last time bush come out and said muslim people terorist.. whn pple open tv even they dunno anytng about muslim they ll thnk muslim are really terorist..
mybe u not saw all mypost here..coz whn i said no 1 ask here about turkish history or culture or people.. some 1 said if we write post you ll feel boring to write or search.. they didnt try and they ddnt ask..so they wanna learn how turkish men are cheating or lyngso i let them talk..

i dont think all muslims are terrorist most of them are lovely people but like all religons there are good people and bad people but most muslims i no are the best people i no because they repect me in everything i do or say!!

ahhh right yes now i get you!well i am trying not to talk in "slang"short way because it doesnt help those who are trying to learn english i know what it is like to learn a new language and some of these messsages and made me realise that there are people trying to learn egnlish and are finding it hard because people are talk and writing bad english one example is me yes i admit that but im using a dictionary now tehe and making sure that people will be able to understand what im saying!

(2) Im not sure that ur post has much relevance here..the messages are good and yet pathetic..ummm interesting..i can tell u r 16 years old..this was a lighthearted discussion..i was born here..im entitled to stay where i like..perhaps u should mature a little before feeling the need to respond quite so drastically.

im quite amused as to why aenigma decided to post my comment again..i was not the one being rude in the first place if u would first like to check heidilovesosman's first post in that thread with all the swearing ...

well i think everyone has got over that now

following the message about the hair changing i have changed my hair i dyed it yesturday infact and i like it so i dont want to change it again tehe just thought i might tell you all-sorry to change the subject tehe

im already old fo some 1im gonna chnge myhair syle but i got no hair

wht people wanna do or say or wtvr..im OVER...

rain i respect you for because when ever i see someone asking someone to translate turkish to english or the other way round i always see that you have translated it and i think thats is so nice of you becuase you dont have to but you do and i respect you for that plus you always have a good point even if i agree or disagree with it... its still a good point!

oops i didnt mean that for bit sorry haha

sorry its not just him but i neally always see him and i respect everyone else for translating because its so nice of you!!!

Heidi are you developing some kind of weird internet form of "Stockholm Syndrome"???

"Heidi are you developing some kind of weird internet form of "Stockholm Syndrome"???" From previous post.



People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
good analogy..but whom was it directed at?:-S

what is one of those you must explain what that is because i have never seen that in my life hahah i must be stupid haha

sorry if i seem really stupid..what is 'stockholm syndrome'??:-S

yes my question exactly hahaha

lets hope some1 tells us soon

yes i hope so cos its for me and i really need to no now haha

Offf I despair of English schools these days...

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME:-

Describes the behavior of kidnap victims who, over time, become sympathetic to their captors. The name derives from a 1973 hostage incident in Stockholm, Sweden. At the end of six days of captivity in a bank, several kidnap victims actually resisted rescue attempts, and afterwards refused to testify against their captors.

Victims begin to identify with their captors initially as a defensive mechanism, out of fear of violence. Small acts of kindness by the captor are magnified Rescue attempts are also seen as a threat, since it's likely the captive would be injured during such attempts.

i think we should start a new thread on 'stockholm syndrome'..we have lost this thread's focus

what is IOTA aswell haha

no claims to being expert on this syndrome. It comes from I think a bank robbery where the customers and some employees were taken hostages. In like, I believe 24hrs, all the hostages became 'brain washed' and began to identify with the bank robbers. So when they were finally released, the hostages began to defend their attackers and even funded part of their legal defense. All this took place in Stockholm.

iota is like a small bit..i.e. my position/opinion hasn't changed even a bit

thansk for that aenigma i did sociology at a-level and i've never heard of that..we did study something similar but not called the same thing..it was an experiment..newayz cheers

and its not just english schools i completed my university as well

HAHA! I guess you beat me to the post.

thanks to u as well capoeira

no im not joking i sorry haha i told you i was stupid

ok im sorry i didnt think it would be in there sorry

presumably you meant of course considering that you said heidi should have access to an english dictionary just thought i'd check..i do believe you criticised me for saying a similar thing yesterday... anyway..thanks for the stockholm syndrome post..

@ suigeneris..i hope this thread gets closed soon..i don't even know why i'm replying to it anymore

A cry from my heart: can everybody please write English instead of abbreviations I do not understand right away? It is a forum, not a mobile telephone were you use short language. So please no more: ppl, smthg, u and no 1 please. (Maybe I am too old for all this... :-S )

trudy.hun,.chill anotherwords trudy..calm down..i'm sure you are not that old

I know we are all guilty of it at times (including me) but some of these posts are more like "chat room" talk. Why not converse there? Posts should (mostly) be more than one-line chat to a single person in my opinion..

It seems to me that in the 3 hours I was down at my local boozer peace has broken out Great!

Do we still have a situation? I think Admin was busy yesterday...

Hmmm never say "never"....

Here is some food for thought. I have been a member nearly a year as well. The first week I was at this site, I was ridiculed, bullied and was slammed for the country I live in. Well, believe me this was a terrible first impression I had of this site. Who the heck wants to spend time at a site when you are personally attacked. I also realized that at the end of day, I couldn't hold ill feelings for someone, whom I don't even know. Really, does it matter in the whole scheme of life, to hold so much anger inside. I didn't intend or was looking to make friends here. But then coming here day after day and reading and chatting with people I started to develop relationships here. I personally have broaden my knowledge from reading people's posts, whether I agree with them or not. Yes, most of the time they are translations from females to their boyfriends. And yes, most of the time I still can't translate them. So I pick a post that either I have knowledge about or can add some feedback too. I happen to think there are other people who add value to this site, other than translating Turkish. Yes, I understand this is a Turkish Language site. But for me it's more. I won't apologize for this and you don't have to agree with me. But who am I or who are you to dictate what gets posted here. I think that's why we have an admin to regulate this. Don't get me wrong, I understand there needs to be rules. Rules are put in place, because of the few that abuse them. I don't think anyone should tolerate verbal abuse here and that's why you send your complaint to the admin of this site. He seems to be a very level minded person that addresses the issues when need be. However, he doesn't get involved with the everyday events at this site. Which quite honestly he shouldn't have to. We should all get along or have enough respect for each other's post's and opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

I must be honest I don't really use the chatroom because of this! I've seen some very choice words and people being insulted so I tend to stay away, but now it is being monitored I will look again.

yeh, same here. some of the stuff i have seen going in chat has been pretty bad.

people insulting each other, many people ganging up on one person, people using political slurs to insult each other...the list is endless.

Just been on chat and had a lovely chat about making cups of tea!!!!!

Catwoman - last month I sent numerous complaints and chat logs to one of the admin, but I got no reply. I have since had to get a new screen name.

HOT CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Susie K you have, on 3 occasions, broken Section 11 of the Rules by talking about beverages. I shall have no alternative but to report you to Admin. As we speak, the TC Police are travelling to your home to question you, and, in the event you are found guilty, you will be sentenced to 1 month of continuous SPAM !

MILKSHAKES made with ice cream mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
last one I promise!

Susie K - May I draw you attention to this:-

Does that mean that I don't have to go to work tonight now!?!

I agree with what a lot of people are saying here...

Perhaps things could be controlled a little better, but on the other hand, if some people want to post abusive or silly immature messages of little relevance to the purpose of this site, maybe we should not give those people the satisfaction they seem to get through receiving a response.

I guess the majority of people signed up for this site to interact with others about different aspects of Turkey, be it the language or the culture-although some seem to have moved onto interactions based upon irrevelevant topics; therefore if those posting inappropriate messages are ignored, perhaps they will realise that the interaction with other members which they hoped for will discontinue.

It is a shame that a minority group of 'negatives' is ruining it for others....

...On the contrary, this site has been really useful for me. Although I only know very basic Turkish, the grammar sections have been great for me and I have enjoyed leisurely looking through literature and reading posts about different cultural aspects. So I want to show my gratitude for the positive things this website brings!...

çok teşekkürler!