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Bayram greetings
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 11:45 am |
I´m sorry, but what is bayram means? Is it the eid mubarak? 
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 12:36 pm |
I´m sorry, but what is bayram means? Is it the eid mubarak? 
Bayram is the name in Turkish for a public holiday. It is used both for the two religious holidays (eid): Şeker Bayramı at the end of Ramadan and Kurban Bayram the sacrifice holiday, and for secular holidays e.g. Cümhüriyet Bayramı the republic day holiday on 29 Oct, Zafer Bayramı at the end of August etc.
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 02:47 pm |
It is not Şeker Bayramı, It is Ramazan Bayramı...
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 03:08 pm |
It is not Şeker Bayramı, It is Ramazan Bayramı...
I am not prepared to get into a political argument with you. Both are used.
I have lived here since 1994, and every year it is called Şeker Bayram by a large part of the population. In recent years, there has been a trend for using the name Ramazan Bayramı (it is a political debate, as people link this with Ak Party influence) and I have just checked the Diyanet website. This does in fact call it Ramazan Bayramı.
Most printed calendars (or, to be more correct, the ones here in my office - produced by book publishers or insurance companies or the ataturk thought society!) say Şeker Bayramı.
The Kültür Bakanlığı site uses both names Ramazan/Şeker Bayramı.
For insight into why on earth this name too has become yet another stick for Turks from different ends of the spectrum to beat each other up about see this thread on another forum:
http://www.dilforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18786
Let us live together in the spirit of the bayram - whatever name we call it!
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 04:35 pm |
I am not prepared to get into a political argument with you. Both are used.
I have lived here since 1994, and every year it is called Şeker Bayram by a large part of the population. In recent years, there has been a trend for using the name Ramazan Bayramı (it is a political debate, as people link this with Ak Party influence) and I have just checked the Diyanet website. This does in fact call it Ramazan Bayramı.
Most printed calendars (or, to be more correct, the ones here in my office - produced by book publishers or insurance companies or the ataturk thought society!) say Şeker Bayramı.
The Kültür Bakanlığı site uses both names Ramazan/Şeker Bayramı.
For insight into why on earth this name too has become yet another stick for Turks from different ends of the spectrum to beat each other up about see this thread on another forum:
http://www.dilforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18786
Let us live together in the spirit of the bayram - whatever name we call it!
I don´t want an argument as well. Actually there is nothing to argue.
I, also, have been living here since 1985, but large part of population calls it Ramazan Bayramı. There is nothing with AK Party. before AK Party, people was using Ramazan Bayramı as well. Şeker Bayramı is called by people who are not so religios, do not feel and live Ramazan, and also called by media which are not also religious but have power. (Should I give the name of them?)
You said you have a calendar says Şeker Bayramı. But not most printed calendars say it, I´ve never seen any calendar like it. I don´t know which part of Turkey, or in Istanbul have you lived or worked, but as far as I know only a few people call it Şeker Bayramı in here or where I ´ve been. I think, it´s just only you met some people who did not feel the true spirit.
Well, the spirit, bayram´s spirit comes from Ramazan month not from candies. That is the true spirit. Because it´s not only a holiday which people give each other candies, but it´s something that people go and visit each other, go to their relatives, to their parents, go to their friends and make them happy, show them their love and respect. That´s the true Ramazan Bayramı spirit, please.
Please, do not think it as an argument but an information of what most people think.
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 04:39 pm |
of what most people think.
You know most people?
All Turks I know (and I know quite a few here in the Netherlands and some in Turkey) call it Şeker Bayramı - religious or not, all political parties represented.
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 05:32 pm |
You know most people?
All Turks I know (and I know quite a few here in the Netherlands and some in Turkey) call it Şeker Bayramı - religious or not, all political parties represented.
I haven´t met all Turks yet, but I´m sure most of it think same as me. And I´m sure the number of Turks I know is much more than the number of Turks you know.
But why are we starting arguement? The name Ramazan bayramı is given and known before (about 1400 years before) and still now it is Ramazan. Şeker Bayramı is a name given lately by a small but powerful number of people. That´s all I say. I dont want to talk and argue about this topic anymore.
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 06:08 pm |
Şeker Bayramı is called by people who are not so religios, do not feel and live Ramazan, and also called by media which are not also religious but have power.
very funnnyyyyyyyyyyyy if i say şeker bayramı will i go to hell? 
şeker or ramazan bayramı why you debate on it?
look here children knock the door and say Bayramınız kutlu olsun and the host give them candy, money or handkerchief. But they mostly give candy so childs called it as Şeker Bayramı.
we, turks use both şeker bayramı and ramazan bayramı
dont play word games dont idolize the words dont give them holiness
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 07:39 pm |
very funnnyyyyyyyyyyyy if i say şeker bayramı will i go to hell? 
şeker or ramazan bayramı why you debate on it?
look here children knock the door and say Bayramınız kutlu olsun and the host give them candy, money or handkerchief. But they mostly give candy so childs called it as Şeker Bayramı.
we, turks use both şeker bayramı and ramazan bayramı
dont play word games dont idolize the words dont give them holiness
Did I say anything about going to hell? Don´t be so funny and do not change the real topic and read carefully.
I only said it´s real name is Ramazan Bayramı and all Muslim countries say it, and the name of Şeker Bayramı has given latetly in Turkey.
Yes, People use both names but most of them are using Ramazan.
It is not a word game, it is what it is. And it is a holy day for Muslims, why shouldn´t I give holiness?
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 07:43 pm |
Yes, People use both names but most of them are using Ramazan.
Thanks. Truce, Faruk.
We agree with being both used, disagree about the word "most" for Turks, but I can live with the difference!
I just had a problem with your statement in Post.28. that seemed to be emphatically saying that it is wrong to use the phrase Şeker Bayramı. That would confuse the language learners on this thread, as they will hear Şeker Bayramı used all over the place. Just google it and see how man hundreds of sites come up! Including www.kultur.gov.tr (the Culture Ministry).
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23 Sep 2008 Tue 08:02 pm |
Thanks. Truce, Faruk.
We agree with being both used, disagree about the word "most" for Turks, but I can live with the difference!
I just had a problem with your statement in Post.28. that seemed to be emphatically saying that it is wrong to use the phrase Şeker Bayramı. That would confuse the language learners on this thread, as they will hear Şeker Bayramı used all over the place. Just google it and see how man hundreds of sites come up! Including www.kultur.gov.tr (the Culture Ministry).
Yes, what I´m saying is true. People are using both names but not each of them using both names. That´s what I´m talking about.
I know you can find hundreads of sites using Şeker Bayramı, but many of this sites or forum sites always use same article and htey just copy and paste it. Not only for this topic but many of them. But also, if you search Ramazan you can find thousands of them too.
I only want to say, the true name is Ramazan that´s all. And Ministry of Culture is not the place teacing what is true for religion or religious days. They only represent people and show their culture and beliefs. But in www.diyanet.gov.tr there is no Şeker Bayramı, if you want a site about Ramazan. It is a religious day, not only a "national holiday". That´s why I´m sensitive.
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