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40.       shama-uk
143 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 02:37 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting justinetime:

hmmm... so by not knowing at least three languages,(i'm not fluent besides my mother tongue and english, which means i am short by one language) i guess i'm not entitled to learn turkish. then if i can't learn turkish, then how can i ever be considered as a cultured person? this is just so sad for me and for other people who want to learn the language, but can't because we don't know at least 3 languages. and i guess that makes as people who are not cultured.



I would hazard a guess that most of the British who use this site are not fluent in anything but English - the exceptions being those British citizens whose mother tongue is not English! By this reckoning, we should form a new TC gang - the (Very) Uncultured Club !

IMHO even those whose mother tongue is English appear incapable of stringing a few simple sentences together without making awful grammatical, spelling and punctuation mistakes. We all make typos but really, some people need to learn their own language first.

41.       justinetime
1018 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 02:45 pm

i was being sarcastic, and finding humour in all of this. or maybe i'm just bored. where are the others? i enjoy reading there comments, more than i make my own.

42.       lady in red
6947 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 02:56 pm

Quoting shama-uk:

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting justinetime:

hmmm... so by not knowing at least three languages,(i'm not fluent besides my mother tongue and english, which means i am short by one language) i guess i'm not entitled to learn turkish. then if i can't learn turkish, then how can i ever be considered as a cultured person? this is just so sad for me and for other people who want to learn the language, but can't because we don't know at least 3 languages. and i guess that makes as people who are not cultured.



I would hazard a guess that most of the British who use this site are not fluent in anything but English - the exceptions being those British citizens whose mother tongue is not English! By this reckoning, we should form a new TC gang - the (Very) Uncultured Club !

IMHO even those whose mother tongue is English appear incapable of stringing a few simple sentances together without making awful grammatical, spelling and punctuation mistakes. We all make typos but really, some people need to learn their own language first.



Unfortunately this is so true and if you can't grasp the grammar of your own language you are going to have real problems learning a new one.

43.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 03:08 pm

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Knowing 3 lang= a cultured pers. Well that is not a hard and fast rule. One may be 'potentially' on the way to being cultured, would be more appropriate. Knowing Turkish is not necessary to become a cultured person, but it helps on this site. Oh, and one does not have to be cultured to begin learning Turkish.


exactly,well said the idea of Turkish as an obligatory language in order to be cultured one is like the idea of communism to make everyone feel happy

44.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 03:13 pm

Quoting lady in red:


Unfortunately this is so true and if you can't grasp the grammar of your own language you are going to have real problems learning a new one.



It is possible to learn or even master another grammar without knowing the grammar of your own langauge. Of course it does help to know your own grammar. In terms of English grammar (my own language), I can only remember being taught punctuation and some simple basics through out my schooling. I'm more aware of grammatical teminology in other languages I learned than in English. My weakness of my English.

45.       shama-uk
143 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 04:17 pm

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Quoting lady in red:


Unfortunately this is so true and if you can't grasp the grammar of your own language you are going to have real problems learning a new one.



It is possible to learn or even master another grammar without knowing the grammar of your own langauge. Of course it does help to know your own grammar. In terms of English grammar (my own language), I can only remember being taught punctuation and some simple basics through out my schooling. I'm more aware of grammatical teminology in other languages I learned than in English. My weakness of my English.

I absolutely agree. But my point is, if one has the time and energy to learn another language, surely that same effort should be made to improve one's own language skills. It is embarrassing to see some of the messages posted here for translation and then to read some heavy debates going on between "foreigners" whose command of the English language is sometimes far superior to those of my fellow country(wo)men. If we put just a fraction of our time into improving our own language skills, we would still have plenty of energy left to devote to our canims and askims in Turkey. I will probably get a back-lash now so I think I will excuse myself and escape back to the relative safety of my cleaning

46.       SERA_2005
668 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 04:38 pm

Quoting shama-uk:

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Quoting lady in red:


Unfortunately this is so true and if you can't grasp the grammar of your own language you are going to have real problems learning a new one.



It is possible to learn or even master another grammar without knowing the grammar of your own langauge. Of course it does help to know your own grammar. In terms of English grammar (my own language), I can only remember being taught punctuation and some simple basics through out my schooling. I'm more aware of grammatical teminology in other languages I learned than in English. My weakness of my English.

I absolutely agree. But my point is, if one has the time and energy to learn another language, surely that same effort should be made to improve one's own language skills. It is embarrassing to see some of the messages posted here for translation and then to read some heavy debates going on between "foreigners" whose command of the English language is sometimes far superior to those of my fellow country(wo)men. If we put just a fraction of our time into improving our own language skills, we would still have plenty of energy left to devote to our canims and askims in Turkey. I will probably get a back-lash now so I think I will excuse myself and escape back to the cleaning



Your not going to get a back lash from me! i agree, how can it be a bad thing to brush up on our own language as well as learning a new one.To be honest i have found that when i am try to learn Turkish it means that i remember or am reminded of English grammer rules etc that i had long forgotten! Good luck with the cleaning,wish i could be a help.Oh a new career move for myself,hmm perhaps not.

47.       shama-uk
143 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 05:04 pm

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting shama-uk:

Quoting Waseem_UK:

Quoting lady in red:


Unfortunately this is so true and if you can't grasp the grammar of your own language you are going to have real problems learning a new one.



It is possible to learn or even master another grammar without knowing the grammar of your own langauge. Of course it does help to know your own grammar. In terms of English grammar (my own language), I can only remember being taught punctuation and some simple basics through out my schooling. I'm more aware of grammatical teminology in other languages I learned than in English. My weakness of my English.

I absolutely agree. But my point is, if one has the time and energy to learn another language, surely that same effort should be made to improve one's own language skills. It is embarrassing to see some of the messages posted here for translation and then to read some heavy debates going on between "foreigners" whose command of the English language is sometimes far superior to those of my fellow country(wo)men. If we put just a fraction of our time into improving our own language skills, we would still have plenty of energy left to devote to our canims and askims in Turkey. I will probably get a back-lash now so I think I will excuse myself and escape back to the cleaning



Your not going to get a back lash from me! i agree, how can it be a bad thing to brush up on our own language as well as learning a new one.To be honest i have found that when i am try to learn Turkish it means that i remember or am reminded of English grammer rules etc that i had long forgotten! Good luck with the cleaning,wish i could be a help.Oh a new career move for myself,hmm perhaps not.

Thank you for agreeing and since you do and also because you made an excuse for not helping with the cleaning (which I have since become bored with and thus back here) I am going to give you your very first brush-up lesson. So Miss Sera_2005 : Q1. What is the short form of "You are"? Is it (a) Your or (b) You're? Q2 When beginning a new sentence, should the first letter start with(a) a capital letter or (b) a small letter? Q3. What is the reason for using a small "i" instead of a capital "I" for I? Q4. What punctuation mark follows an abbreviation (e.g. etc)? Is it(a) nothing or (b) a full stop? Q5-8 will form part of Lesson 2.

48.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 05:57 pm

Few words in another language can save your life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyJDeF2RHMw

49.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 06:05 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYO5aw4wPHE

50.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 06:14 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVPxKbrj1x8&feature=related

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