Are You Smart Enough to Be German?

http://www1.spiegel.de/active/quiztool/fcgi/quiztool.fcgi?id=33093&a=&aa=4

ROAD TO WAR IN GEORGIA

The Chronicle of a Caucasian Tragedy

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,574812,00.html

Local BBC News item:  A man has been arrested for theft in Preston Train Station (NW England).  He crept onto an empty train this morning and cooked himself breakfast in the Buffet Car.

Perhaps he´s the Fat Controller Libra Lady was asking about last week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyYvOz6O6Dw

Is Youtube still banned in Turkey?

Seven Egyptian women talk about their experience of sexual harassment on the streets of Cairo. It is an increasingly common problem, with a recent survey suggesting more than four out of five women have been sexually harassed, while nearly two-thirds of men admitted assaulting women.

A very interesting article, worthy reading!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7593765.stm

No offence Canlı, but werent you saying that you can wear what you want in Egypt.

This is sad really, hope men there will learn some manners soon and see woman the way they are supposed to be seen.

 Have you read the article D_K ?

Have you seen the pictures of the women who are talking ?

Are all of them not wearing hijab,or some wear and some dont ?

What this got to do with what they wear ?!

İ didnt say Egypt is Heaven,women get harassed at USA,UK,France,Germany,Egypt...ect,would this imply they are not free to wear whatever they want ?

Or do you suggest they get harassed there also for what they wear ?!

The harassement those women meant is not just the sexual gestures,but also the strange men attempts to talk with them ,to get their attention so they pick them up ´as that woman expression´

 Yes I did. That is why I was so surprised. Because I recall you saying you are free to wear what you want, and I think it was Saskia, saying she was being harrassed, you said that harrassment wasnt really common. But apparantly it is.

Anyway you are right when it comes to clothing, it really doesnt change a thing. I forgot about that when I made that comment Just, you´re ideas on harrassment in Egypt came to my mind.

And you seemed pretty offended with all your ´?!´, though I didnt mean it that much of an attack as you responded it too

And though the Netherlands wasnt in your list, I´ve never been harrassed my entire life in the Netherlands. But I have been in Turkey.

I´ve been to quite a few European cities including Istanbul and never had a problem, except in Rome.  My teenage daughter and I were walking through a crowded market place and three young "Rocco" look-i-likies passed us.  They never made eye contact but as they passed the nearest one put his hand straight up my leg and felt my bottom!!  What a cheek!! (pardon the pun).  My daughter also got a few gestures aimed at her from time to time.

 Well,i also remember Saskia´s comments,she said they tried to touch her as i remember.

İ wear a hijab,and i also can say i havent been harrassed that way in Egypt,my cousin for example doesnt wear hijab and also she hasnt been harrassed this way in Egypt.

Those women,some of them wear hijab,and some dont,and they said they have been harrassed.

So would this say,they have been harrassed because of what they wear,and we ´me and my cousin weren´t because of what we are wearing ?!

Actually,i dont quite understand what you mean exactly by harassment?!

İ mean when you are walking in the street and a man calls you ´hey you pretty !´ is that harassment ?

Or when they try to get close  to you is it harassment ?

We have the first one,hijab or no hijab,all same,but the second one,i wouldnt say that we face/see/hear about normally,of course its also there but not common,and sure not because what you wear !

İm not offended D_K,not the way you think anyway,im sorry if you got that feeling,my fault

İts just seems that Egypt news is all what catch ZZ eye´s or İslam of course.

Anyway,i knew im important to ZZ

Dear Canlı,

 If you and a few friends used the media to make your point, that you aren´t harrassed, perhaps people would believe you more .  But I somehow don´t think ZZ would find it quite so newsworthy .